[HPforGrownups] Re: MuggleNet - Godrics Hollow Theory. General vs Specific

[Kemper]

No: HPFGUIDX 163579

> > Kemper earlier:
> > ... If you were following upthread, you will have
> > noticed that bboy was saying that:
> >
> > "The Potter's trusted Peter with their lives, and in
> > accepting that trust, Peter is implying a true and deep
> > loyalty to the Potters."
> >
> > I read this to mean that bboy believes the Fidelius
> > Charm works (in part) by the loyalty Peter feels of the
> > Potters. I disagreed because I don't believe that Peter
> > was loyal to the Poters at the time of the charm. ...
> >
>
> bboyminn responded:
>
> There is one apect you are missing in my statements, and
> that is that Peter 'fidelity' (loyaty, trust, etc...) is
> not in question for ALL TIME.

Kemper now:
Yes, it is in question.
I'm sorry for missing that aspect.  I did not realize you believe
'loyalty' to be a intermittent or vacillating quality.  I, however,
think 'loyalty' to be more fixed.

> Steve continues:
> In a sense we have a magical contract that is very precise
> in its terms, and in which, by figuratively signing, Peter
> is agreeing to keep one specific secret. He is figuratively
> swearing an oath of 'fidelity' specific to keeping this one
> secret. So, whether Peter was a 'rat' in general doesn't
> come into play, and is not relevant to whether the
> Secret Keepr Charm remains or dissolves.

Kemper now:
I agree with the precision of the contract.  But our definitions of
the contracts fine print are different.

If Lex Luthor knows Superman's secret identity and promises not to
tell anyone but still tries to kill Superman, then Lex is not loyal to
Superman regardless of keeping Superman's alter-ego secret.


> Steve continues:
> The other aspect of how the Charm might have dissolved
> relates to the exact wording of the Secret itself. If
> the /secret/ was the Potters, then we have one set of
> problems. If the /secret/ was the house, we have a
> completely different set of problems.
>
> If the Secret was in the form 'The Potters are hiding at
> 123 West Lane Road; Godrics Hollow, UK', that is not a
> house, it is a lot. That address exists independant of
> whether there is a house on it or not.
>
> If the Secret is in the form 'The Potters are hiding in
> Dumbledore's ancestral home in Godrics Hollow' then things
> are different, but house and home are not exactly the same.
> So, that could create complications.
>
> If the Secret is 'The Potter are hiding in Dumbledore's
> house in Gordrics Hollow' that is more specific, but,
> though I can't think of any at the moment, that must have
> its own set of complications.
> ...
> If the Charm does still exist, I think we have many many
> unresolvable complications to the story. I also think if
> the Charm was on the Potter's themselves and is still in
> effect, then again, too many unresolvable complications.
>
> Conclusion; that charm must have been broken. I think it
> was broken by breach of Fidelity.
>
> Of course, that's just my opinion, but it is FIRMLY my
> opinion.
>

Kemper now:
I think the Secret was: We (the Potters) are hiding in the house
located at123 West Lane Road; Godrics Hollow, UK.
When the Potters are dead so is their Secret.
Lily/James are the Secret Tellers, not Harry as he can't have faith in
Peter, though Harry's might be able to include him by proxy, their
death would leave the proxy void leaving baby Harry easy to find.


Dumbledore (and the Order) left 12 GP because of Sirius' death.  Was
he the Secret Teller as it was his place?  I think so.

Just Kemper's firm yet flexible opinion