CHAPDISC: HBP28, Flight of the Prince

[esmith222002]

No: HPFGUIDX 163653

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" <justcarol67 at ...> 
wrote:
>
> Brothergib wrote:
> <snip>
> > Hagrid was at Godric's Hollow soon after LV attacked - FACT!
> > How did he get there? Portkey - very, very unlikely IMO. 
Apparition
> - I think canon evidence suggests that Hagrid would not possess 
those 
> > skills. Side-along apparition - i.e. DD takes Hagrid with him to 
GH.
> > 
> > But why would DD go to GH? If he had information that an attack 
was
> imminent, then I'm sure he would have prepared a defence. If DD was
> ignorant to LV's plan, then someone had to inform DD that LV had
> attacked GH. An obvious candidate would be someone who a) was 
trusted
> by LV or b) could at least track his movements. Obvious candidate -
> Severus Snape.
> > 
> > Therefore Hagrid trusts Snape because he had seen direct proof of
> his allegiance at GH that night.
> 
> Carol responds:
> 
> I agree that Hagrid probably knows something about Snape relating to
> the night of Godric's Hollow, and I like your suggestion of side-
along
> Apparition (helping Hagrid get to GH), but why not Snape rather than
> DD as Hagrid's escort?
> 
> I don't see how Snape, who was teaching at Hogwarts and did not know
> the Secret, could have been at GH or why he would be there since his
> supposed DE task was to spy on Dumbledore, not hang around with
> Voldemort. I think that Snape had no clue that the Potters had been
> betrayed until he felt a pain in his Dark Mark and then watched it
> fade, which could only mean that Voldemort had been attacked and
> defeated. I think that snape ran up seven or eight flights of stairs
> to see Dumbledore, who had been alerted to the broken Fidelius Charm
> (see my previous posts), perhaps by a nightmare, perhaps by the 
sudden
> realization that he knew where the Potters were and a sense that 
they
> were in peril. 

Brothergib replies:
I like the theory about Snape. The one thing I couldn't resolve was 
this - If Voldemort's wand was retrieved by PP after his demise, then 
surely Snape would have seen this (although I am still not completely 
convinced that this wasn't an oversight by JKR). A fading Dark Mark 
is certainly a good way to bring Snape into the scenario. However, I 
am firmly in the camp that believes that the Fidelius wasn't broken. 
PP told Voldemort (which was perfectly within his rights as SK) and 
it was Voldemort who then attacked the Potters - therefore the charm 
should still be in place. Therefore, in your scenario, Snape would be 
the one who told DD that something bad has happened to LV. DD's 
knowledge of the prophecy would suggest that Harry was to blame, and 
that would lead DD to Godric's Hollow (since he had offered the house 
to the Potter's, he would suspect that they were there, even if he 
hadn't been told directly by PP).


Carol again:
 I suppose
> that Snape could have Apparated with Hagrid to GH and then returned 
to
> Hogwarts immediately to consult with Dumbledore about Harry's future
> and how to protect him. He certainly was not with Hagrid when Sirius
> Black arrived. I would not be surprised if Snape examined the baby
> after Hagrid's return in front of both Hagrid and Dumbledore to make
> sure that he wasn't possessed or cursed before DD placed the
> protective spell on him, extending Lily's love protection, and
> returned Harry to Hagrid's care. DD would then probably have had to
> deal with the MoM and maybe give a statement regarding Sirius Black 
as
> SK--hence, "No trouble, was there?" when he finds out where Hagrid 
got
> the motorcycle.
> 
Brothergib again:
I'm not sure I totally follow this. I think you are saying that Snape 
& Hagrid went to GH to get Harry. Snape returned to Hogwarts. Hagrid 
meets up with Sirius and gets the motorcycle. Hagrid flies to 
Hogwarts and meets up with Snape and DD. DD leaves and they meet up 
at Privet Drive later. For me DD's comment 'No trouble, was there?' 
suggests that this was the first time he had met up with Hagrid since 
Hagrid had been entrusted with Harry.

An alternative scenario (following on from your theory);
Snape informs DD about the fading Dark Mark. DD and Snape apparate to 
GH. They find a destroyed house but no Potter's. However, DD can 
detect traces of magical concealment (a la 'The Cave) and sets about 
breaking down the 'Fidelius Charm'. Once he was successful, he sends 
Snape to fetch Hagrid (side-along apparition). It is Hagrid who picks 
baby Harry up from the rubble! Perhaps they all check him over at 
this point. I would imagine that DD would send Snape to the other DEs 
to see if he could ascertain what had happened. DD had many things he 
would have needed to do, but he insisted that Hagrid alone cared for 
the baby and would bring him to DD when requested - lets face it, who 
could have forcibly taken Harry off Hagrid. DD and Snape leave and 
Hagrid is left to make his own way home with Harry. He then meets up 
with Sirius and ends up with the bike.

Brothergib (who likes this theory, but still isn't totally convinced 
that Snape didn't play some part in the events at GH)