[HPforGrownups] Re: Game of "Clue" PS/SS-(Was Harry Horcrux)

[Kathryn Jones]

No: HPFGUIDX 164064


> Carol responds:
> Actually, and oddly, dumbledore does refer to at least one soul bit as
> "destroyed":

KJ writes:
   We have excellent clues and pieces of evidence in all the books and 
in many posts.  I would like to enumerate as many as I can think of or 
find, and perhaps other posters can add to what I have missed.  Perhaps 
if it is all laid out in chronological order, it may point in one 
direction or another.  Good hunting.

PS/SS


1.	"It certainly *seems* so" Dumbledore's answer to whether Voldemort 
was really gone.

2.	"We can only guess, we may never know" DD answer to McGonnagall as to 
how Harry survived.

3.	"Even if I could, I wouldn't. Scars can come in handy"

4.	It is interesting that not one straight answer did McGonnagal get 
from DD. He as much as asked her how she knew he would be there.  She 
flinches at the sound of Voldemort's name and DD pretended not to notice.

5.	Harry remembers a blinding flash of green and a high, cold, cruel 
laugh as he listens to Hagrid tell his story.

6.	"Most of us reckon he's still out there somewhere" Hagrid

7.	Voldemort killed the McKinnons, the Bones, and the Prewetts

8.	Hagrid mentions three times that it would be mad to rob Gringott's. 
Does DD know that there is about to be an attempt?

9.	Single wand on a purple cushion in Olivander's shop

10.	Harry's wand - need say no more

11.	Hat describes courage, good mind, great talent, thirst to prove 
himself. Either Slytherin or Gryffindor

12.	Pain in his scar-first direct contact with Voldemort-warm and sleepy

13.	Dream-he was wearing Quirrel's turban-memories or mental connection? 
Green light, and high cold laugh

14.	Hagrid hiding what he knows about Snape-hiding what he knows about 
what was in the vault.

15.	Hagrid defends Snape "hotly"

16.	Dumbledore gives Harry his father's invisibility cloak

17.	First appearance of the Room of Requirement

18.	DD doesn't need a cloak to become invisible.  Knew about Harry and 
Ron seeing the mirror.  Is he watching Harry or the mirror?

19.	Nightmares-flash of green, high cold laughter-memories or mental 
connection?

20.	Keeps running into Snape wherever he goes

21.	Snape and DD at the Quidditch match-to protect Harry or to catch 
Quirrel?

22.	Snape white-faced and tight-lipped when Harry nearly hit him chasing 
the snitch. Is he afraid of Harry? DD was right there when Harry landed. 
What did they think was happening? Are they afraid of Harry?

23.	Snape applies pressure to Quirrel

24.	"That wasn't no werewolf and it wasn't no unicorn neither," said 
Hagrid grimly.  Does Hagrid know what it is? How much does DD tell him?

25.	Pain in Harry's head-scar on fire-2'nd direct contact with Voldemort

26.	Firenze already knew about the sorcerer's stone. Was he keeping 
watch for DD?

27.	Bane angry at Firenze for interfering-sworn not to set themselves 
against the heavens.  Foreshadowing?

28.	"Good luck Harry Potter. The planets have been read wrongly before 
now, even by centaurs. I hope this is one of those times."
Foreshadowing?

29.	Scar keeps hurting

30.	Quirrel says Snape suspected him before the troll incident.

31.	Harry's scar did not hurt speaking to Voldemort, only when Quirrel 
touched him. His scar also hurt while he was touching Quirrel. It was 
touching Quirrel that nearly killed Harry.



	So knowing what we know now, it appears that Dumbledore had already 
been investigating horcruxes because he knew that Voldemort was not 
dead.  He knew what Voldemort would have to do to get some kind of a 
body back and there were two choices, the stone and unicorn blood. 
Hagrid mentions three times that it would be mad to steal from 
Gringott's which leads me to believe that he was in on a part of the 
plan to perhaps trap Voldemort. I don't think Dumbledore let him in on 
any information about Harry. Hagrid couldn't take it.

	Dumbledore often does not tell the truth or even part of the truth.  He 
did not give McGonnagal any information, about whether Voldemort was 
alive or dead, or the truth about why Harry was left with the Dursleys. 
  He did not offer his guess about what happened, and I find 
McGonnagal's flinch suspicious.

	He admits that he can't do anything about Harry's scar, and says that 
he would not, even if he could because scars can come in handy. He did 
not say whether it would be handy for him or for Harry.

	Three times we see Harry with memories of the night that his parents 
were killed.  I think that Harry's memories will be an important part in 
DH, and may be what JKR refers to as going back in time.

	The Sorting Hat is willing to put Harry in Slytherin or Gryffindor 
indicating that there are recognizable influences of both houses. The 
Sorting Hat undoubtedly talks to Dumbledore about its findings.

	Harry's wand is the brother wand to Voldemort's wand. Both have cores 
of Fawke's tailfeathers.  We also know that Fawkes is going to be much 
more disposed toward Harry than Voldemort which may be important later.

	Dumbledore can be invisible without a cloak and he has been observing 
Harry on more than one occasion.  Harry also bumps into Snape wherever 
he goes.  Obviously these two are keeping a very close watch on Harry. 
Is it for their own protection or Harry's.  When Harry flew past Snape 
without warning, Snape was "white-faced and tight-lipped." Is Snape 
afraid of Harry at this point in time?  If so, I would suggest that 
Dumbledore and Snape are both involved together in determining whether 
Harry is susceptible to Voldemort, whether he is in possession of a 
piece of Voldemort, or whether he might be bait to lure Voldemort. After 
the Quidditch match, when Harry frightened Snape, Dumbledore was right 
there when Harry's broom landed.  He must have been moving pretty fast 
to pull that off. Firenze was also aware that Voldemort was in the 
forest and undoubtedly has informed Dumbledore.

	Four times, Harry suffers from pain in his scar, once when Voldemort 
was looking at him under the turban when Harry was sleepy, once again 
when Voldemort flew at him over the body of the unicorn, when he was 
awake and alert, during the day or so prior to his attempt to steal the 
stone, and again when Quirrel touched him. Why did Harry not feel any 
pain when he was talking to Voldmort in front of the mirror?  This does 
not seem consistent. Harry also suffered pain when he grabbed Quirrel. 
That was what nearly killed Harry.  The physical contact with the body 
that was holding Quirrel was nearly fatal. We know that Quirrel was 
damaged by the touch because of the blood protection of Harry's mother, 
but we do not know why Harry feels pain when he touched what was Voldemort.

	Bane was angry that Firenze took Harry away from Voldemort in the 
forest, in direct opposition to the reading of the stars. Firenze wishes 
Harry good luck, and says that even centaurs make mistakes sometimes. 
This is much like Dumbledore saying "I hope it helps you to survive."

	We also see that Hagrid knows all about Snape and trusts him for his 
own reasons other than just Dumbledore's trust. He knows Snape doesn't 
like Harry for some reason and accepts that it must be about Harry's 
father. I wonder if Snape feels anything in his dark mark when Harry is 
around. That could explain a lot. It might explain why he suspected 
Quirrel so early in the game as well.

	We are also shown the difference between Harry's memories and the 
influence of Voldemort on his mind, which at this time is quite weak. 
His scar was hurting just about the time that Dumbledore was leaving on 
his broom for London, and Voldemort had the opportunity to go after the 
stone.

Anybody want to add, object, or take on CoS?

KJ