Why did Snape remove *that* memory? Was:Taking memories out of your head?

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> Sherry now:
>
> Hmmm, if the pensieve trips were there to plant sympathy for
Riddle, I don't
> know about Harry, but it didn't work for me. I have no sympathy
for Riddle
> or Snape, come to think of it. Many people have bad childhoods,
are
> rejected by family, grow up in orphanages and don't turn into
psychopathic
> monsters. Or just plain old garden variety murderers of best
> friends/mentors.


Alla:

LOLOLOL - sitting here, laughing over "plain old garden variety
murderers", Sherry.

I am not sure about Pensieve trips for sympathy for Riddle either,
but I go back and forth on this idea.

As I said in another thread, I do not think that JKR plans to elicit
sympathy to Voldemort, but who knows maybe she does want Harry feel
a tiny bit of pity for the boy whom LV once was.

I mean, I certainly do not feel pity for him, but maybe Harry would?

I guess we shall see in book 7.

Sympathy for Snape? Um, you know the answer. Oh, and set up idea -
always felt plausible to me. Sure Snape did not know when he would
be called out of the room, but I find very plausible that he was
biting his time and willing the nanture and Harry's curiosity take
his course.

I speculate and only speculate of course, that if no distraction
could happened, Snape would have eventually came up with one.


> Sherry now:
>
> I'm always puzzled by the idea that Harry, who has never really
known his
> parents, needs to learn not to idolize them. Why? Why shouldn't
he keep
> his view of them? This is in a general sense I am asking the
question, not
> rejecting the obvious plot device, because it's unchangeable. But
what is
> good about making a kid, during a terrible year in his life no
less, learn
> that his parents weren't all he thought? His view of his parents
had
> actually helped him through some things. Why remove another
source of pride
> and strength from the poor kid?


Alla:

What good about it? Well, except as you said being a plot device, I
find absolutely nothing good with it.

You know, hero journey and all that and Harry has to be absolutely
alone but with his peers staff. ( Alla remembers many RL heroes who
did some pretty great stuff in wars and peace time and with some
members of their families being alive too, sigh, must not start
ranting)

But again there certainly came something good out of it for this
reader, hehe.

James moved SO far up to my favorite characters in Potterverse after
Pensieve scene. I really do wonder if this was the effect JKR was
going for.

( Oh, and to prevent questions - that is not because he was shown as
bully, that is because he became a multilayered character in my eyes
from saintly one. I still do not doubt that he was a good man
altogether, but I also saw him doing pretty bad stuff. I admire
characters like that)



Magpie:
> Certainly not to show him James and Sirius looking bad--why would 
Snape 
> think Harry would think James and Snape looked bad there anyway? 
If Snape 
> thought that of Harry doesn't it suggest that Snape knows Harry is 
not like 
> James, that he's a good person who might be on Snape's side? I 
think Snape 
> might assume Harry would think it was as funny as his father did 
(and 
> everyone did at the time--Harry would have to be better than 
everyone Snape 
> was at school with). You're describing this as depending on Snape 
knowing 
> Harry's shortcomings (he'll peek into the Pensieve), but it seems 
to more 
> depend on Snape knowing Harry's virtues.

Alla:

Okay, yes, I agree this is a strong argument against this being a 
set up in a sense that why would Snape think that Harry would be 
embarassed or something like that.

BUT if the set up was done with the main purpose to get rid of 
Occlumency lessons, then it does not matter IMO. All that Snape 
needed IMO would be for Harry to peek in the Pensieve and I think it 
would be a pretty good guess to make, especially if DD clued Snape 
in on Harry making that trip in his pensieve in GoF.

Magpie: 
> I also have a hard time believing Snape assumed he'd be called 
away. He was 
> only called away here due to circumstances beyond his control that 
had to do 
> with Slytherin. It's not like Snape automatically gets called any 
time 
> anything went wrong. If he was banking on that I think he might 
have been 
> disappointed and Harry would never have gone into the Pensieve. I 
don't see 
> why Dumbledore would tattle on Harry to Snape about going into his 
Pensieve 
> before.
>
Alla:

See above, seems like rather easy one to me. Of course Snape is 
banking, but I would think that he would have waited few nights and 
if nothing would have come out would made Malfoy to call Snape out 
for something fictitious.

As to why Dumbledore would say, maybe for strategic purposes to let 
Snape know that Harry is now aware of some interesting things in his 
past.

To warn Snape for some reason maybe?