Question from a newbie: Taking memories out of your head?

[Dana]

No: HPFGUIDX 164232

ibchawz:
> > I see the pensieve memories working 2 different ways.  First,
> > one may make a copy of the memory to place in the pensieve.
> > This works much like the "copy and paste" feature in many
> > computer programs.  The copying leaves the original intact
> > and allows for multiple copies to pasted.  The second way
> > is to remove the memory from the mind and place it in the
> > pensieve.  This is the same as the "cut and paste" feature.
> <snip>
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Dana Again:

I am sorry that I cannot give more reasonable comments to all the
suggestions made.
But I found this quote on the accio quote website and it still makes
me think that the pensieve is not a device that is used to hide
memories. This is what JKR had to say about it

*Pensieves "recreate" the entire reality of the memory and are free
of any personal interpretations or biases. Even things not initially
noticed are recorded.*

http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/list2005.html

I think it is very interesting to see that the device is used to
watch a more exclusive reality than it would in someone's head. Of
course this does not contradict the cut and paste theory but it
still gives me the feeling the memory would be much safer from Harry
or anyone else in Snape's own head than in a pensieve, that Harry
knows is there while the chance he would run into it in Snape's head
would be relatively small or at least the amount of information
accessible in Snape's head would be far less because Snape could
intervene and you cannot see entire stories at one given time just
images which when interpreted correctly can give you an idea of what
occurred or if some one is lying and there is no reason to assume
that Harry would be able to interpret them correctly at all even if
he caught glimpses of it.

I do understand it is a plot device but I am far from sure that the
James/ Snape interaction was the thing Snape was hiding and to some
extent with this quote I am not even sure he was hiding anything
because the memory removal apparently does not include removing
feelings as well and according to Snape in OotP, feelings are
different than visual memories (or at least there is no canon
evidence that you would feel any differently once you remove the
memory and the pensive does not record it or at least does not
display it), they are not specifically attached to one another
although of course the visual memory would invoke the emotional
memory in that specific person but you do not need an entire memory
for that, parts of memories or sometimes even just similar
situations
or even smelling something in RL can invoke these feelings as well.
But still it makes it less presumable that he removed them to
control his feelings about James and thus being able to deal with
Harry less emotional. Looking at Harry alone would be able to invoke
these emotions he would not even have to remember the visual memory
in order to tap into these feelings; we have six books of proof of
that. The brain is not an open book so you can not stroll around it
and see everything one likes to see. Legillimency (sp?) is not mind
reading but to some extent the pensieve is just that because you can
see everything even if the person themselves are not aware it was
there.

I am also not convinced he was trying to hide these images from LV
because Snape would have to take them out every time he would have
going to see him and these memories where already there before Snape
decided to switch sides so if there was anything interesting there
to see LV has already seen it. Also because the pensieve is not his
own and if these memories where so sensitive they needed hiding,
than he would have stored them a long time ago because he would
never know when LV would show up again or when he would want Snape
to come see him, it is even factual you do not need a pensive to
remove them at all but even if you did, if Snape was so into hiding
and extracting his memories you would think he would own a pensieve
himself but that is not how he hid things as we know from canon,
occlumency is how he hid things from LV so there is no reason for
him to think Harry would be a greater threat to discover these
specific memories even with LV in his head. If Snape would have
decided after the break in thing that something needed to be removed
I would have bought it but he is doing this before lesson 1.

I am sorry for rambling on and not responding to each post
separately but to me it makes no sense why he would extract them to
prevent Harry seeing them and I certainly do not believe he removed
them to prevent LV seeing them. There is no canon evidence that
Snape removed these memories for LV before and we know he is a
*suburb* occlumens which makes removal of memories unnecessary. Even
with the oops shield charm, Harry only got a few glimpses. He was
never a threat to any of his memory not even this one. Also and
maybe I have missed this in one of the post I assume Snape is very
aware of what a pensieve is, so I totally do not understand its
presence because in a bottle these memories where not accessible to
anyone but with a pensieve it is like saying just push the play
button and watch the show. JMHO

Dana