Christian Forgiveness and Snape (was Would Harry forgiving )

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No: HPFGUIDX 164315

> Magpie:
> > 
> > In thinking about the scene in canon, iirc Harry comes in furious 
at 
> > Dumbledore but quickly winds up thinking that he's got to control 
his anger 
> > or else Dumbledore won't let him go on the Horcrux Hunt. I don't 
have the 
> > book in front of me, but it seems like Dumbledore managed to work 
is so that 
> > when Harry confronted him with this rather large betrayal on his 
part, > 
> <snip>
> Pippin:
> Betrayal?
> Harry didn't give two knuts about who the eavesdropper was or what
> happened to him until he found out it was Snape. He didn't think it 
was
> his business before, so  was it really? As far as Dumbledore is 
> concerned, I think not.
> <SNIP>

Alla:

Was it his business to know who sold the prophecy to Voldemort, which 
prompted Voldemort to kill his parents? I think so.

And I disagree that Harry did not give two knuts about who 
eavesdropper was before he learned about the identity. I found it 
very telling how very much in passing Dumbledore mentioned it, not 
stressing it so to speak, how much eavesdropper was at fault, etc.

I think Harry was just too upset about prophecy to think about 
eavesdropper at first. I think he would have been just as furious no 
matter who eavesdropper was.

So, to answer the question, yes, it is betrayal by Dumbledore IMO. 
Betrayal out probably of best intentions, wishing to protect all 
involved parties but betrayal nevertheless.



>> Pippin:
> It's the leader's job to analyze everyone's mistakes, not just his 
own. 
> I didn't hear Dumbledore excusing himself, except for loving Harry 
so
> much that he put Harry's present happiness above his future. <SNIP> 

Alla:

Not as well fed as I would liked, but not a pampered prince ( 
paraphrase). I hear DD excusing himself loud and clear. Thank 
goodness he admitted some of his mistakes, but IMO far from all of 
them.


Pippin:
> Harry knows perfectly well how much he suffered at the Dursleys.
> He does not need to hear Dumbledore feeling sorry for him -- he
> hates it when people do that. 

Alla:

Oh, I don't know. If someone put me in the situation where I suffered 
in the first place, I would **never** be tired to hear apologies from 
that person, best intentions or not. That is unless I myself choose 
to say enough.

And yes, I am not Harry, but it seems to be to be rather often 
reaction to wish to hear the remorse from the first party. IMO of 
course.