Question about the prophecy and a thought about Ginny

[Dana]

No: HPFGUIDX 171165

Sneeboy2:
> I'll just jump in here and say that DD confiding any information to 
> Snape requires a different level of trust, because he knows that 
> Snape is also has Voldemort's confidence. Sending one of your own 
> into the enemy camp indicates a pretty high level of trust. If 
> Snape is the one who healed DD's hand, and the one he wanted to see 
> after he'd drunk the potion, then Snape's knowledge of DD's actions 
> outside Hogwart's could be second only to Harry's. DD told 
> McGonagall nothing about his actions outside Hogwarts. That's some 
> pretty special trust.
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Dana:
Sorry but that is assuming without any canon proof that Snape knew 
what DD was doing when he injured his hand and that DD told Snape 
what he was doing that night. Canon actually indicates that he did 
not tell Snape what he was doing. Why? Well first of all Snape tells 
both Bella and Narcissa in Spinner's End that DD had sustained a 
serious injury to his hand, that DD is getting old and that his 
reflexes are slower. This might not be of real importance to them but 
Snape is telling it like it hasn't much importance at all, as if it 
isn't crucial information the enemy could use. Telling them makes me 
think he told LV too and it makes me think that Snape didn't know 
what had injured DD's hand and why it would be important to keep this 
information from the enemy. Telling your enemy that the one LV ever 
feared is weak and injured is a big no no but besides that LV would 
know what would cause such an injury. 

Just like Snape knew instantly what hurt Draco in the bathroom as he 
recognized the effects of his own curse and so would LV. I am pretty 
confident about my theory that it was Snape's information that made 
LV chance his mind about going after Harry and why he changed 
directive to take DD out first. Snape might not have known he was 
giving LV more information then he actually should because he didn't 
know that it would tip LV off that DD was on to his horcruxes and 
therefore I do not believe Snape knows anything about it. DD as he 
explains about the diary tells Harry that Lucius did not know the 
diary contained a soul piece of his master and that he just thought 
LV had put some real dark magic into it. There is no support in canon 
that DD shared his suspicion about the diary with Snape. 

Also DD believed Snape to be asleep when he and Harry got to the 
tower. That is a pretty strange assumption if you would have that 
person on alert in case you need him to cure you for whatever you 
were to encounter in the cave. 
DD trusted Snape to have returned to the side of good and just like 
Lupin, he truly trusted Snape would only go back to LV to pretend he 
was on their side. Only problem for me is Snape's actions, in OotP, 
do not support this idea because Snape lost Harry out of his sight 
for more then 5 hours before he alerted the Order and Snape did not 
claim to DD that he thought Harry to be safe in Umbridge care and 
therefore could not get to the DoM, he did not state that he had no 
way of knowing that Harry would find a way to the DoM. No, he 
actually tells DD that he had no way of knowing Harry would still 
believe Sirius to be in danger. Do you really believe this to be 
true? With everything that happened between Snape and Harry that 
year? Snape refused to help Harry further to learn occlumency but 
Harry somehow should still believe that Snape WOULD help him if he 
asked for his help? Or that Snape without any feedback indeed checked 
out that Sirius was safe? How would Harry know Sirius was safe 
without Snape ever telling him? Even if he believed Snape would check 
it out without any feedback Harry would not know Snape would have 
been successful in contacting Sirius. So to me that was a lie. Snape 
lied about why it took him so long to respond after Harry had giving 
him the warning. And if Harry had not stalled Lucius and his gang as 
they did, then the Order had arrived to late and this while Snape 
knew about LV's plan being set into action before Harry ever left for 
the DoM. Also isn't it strange that Snape is assumed to have alerted 
the Order to thwart Lucius from succeeding but just a few weeks later 
he takes a vow to protect his only son? And he tells the wife of the 
person he helped put in Azkaban in short that he helped putting him 
there and therefore was the real cause for LV's anger when he makes 
his claim about helping dispose of Black? Are we to believe Snape is 
really that stupid to give up his cover because he just wants to take 
some pride in helping to kill Sirius by telling them a lie that could 
expose him as a traitor? I think not. 

Also althroughout HBP DD was counting on Snape to take care of things 
concerning Draco as he tells Draco that he had given Snape the order 
to watch him but Snape failed to follow this order because there was 
that pesky vow that prevented Snape from taking real actions against 
Draco. DD indeed trusted Snape and why he gave him specific 
assignments and Snape failed him three times. 

Sneeboy2:
That's certainly part of it, but something tells me there's more to 
the story, and we'll find out what in DH. One thing is certain: if 
Snape is a spy for DD, he must be giving him some information about 
Voldemort. We don't know the quality of that information, but if it 
was always wrong, I'd think DD would get suspicious. IF some of it 
turned out to be right, and aided DD, that in itself would be a cause 
for trust. This is speculation, but it's part of the definition of 
spying to bring back info about the enemy, so I don't think it's wild 
speculation. 
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Dana:
The only reason that there seems to be more to the story is DD's 
determination when he declares his trust in Snape. It is just, to me, 
the unwillingness to believe that it was only Snape's story of 
remorse that made DD trust Snape had returned to the right side. But 
DD specifically states in HBP that he believed that Snape's remorse 
WAS the reason for his return. Wanting to believe that there is more 
to it is in my opinion wanting there to be a bigger reason for 
Snape's return and his remorse and therefore more to DD's trust in 
Snape. Canon only tells us this and DD is no longer here to support 
any other type of version of why Snape returned and it was Snape's 
return that initiated DD's trust. The one thing you call certain 
isn't certain at all because in OotP DD never claims to Harry that he 
knew what LV was up to because of information Snape got from LV or 
that any type of information coming from Snape came directly from LV.

DD only tells Harry about the information that Snape found out 
through Harry. Wouldn't it have been a great way for DD to proof 
Snape was on their side by stating Snape was working tirelessly to 
help the Order? Everyone knew Snape was so-called pretending to still 
be a DE. Snape's information did not help the Order to keep one step 
ahead of LV neither in OotP or HBP. The Order was running after the 
facts and therefore there is no proof in canon that Snape did 
anything other then confirm what the Order already knew. If the Order 
would have know that LV was still after the prophecy and was going to 
use Harry to get it, instead of them believing LV would have no way 
of getting to Harry and was not going to get it himself then there 
would have been someone guarding the MoM as a precaution. More Order 
Members would have guarded the premises of Hogwarts to make sure 
Harry would not get out. But there was no Order activity anywhere, 
why? Because I believe DD trusted Snape to secure Harry's safety and 
he didn't.  

Sneeboy2:
> I don't disagree, but to be fair, his actions, or lack thereof, 
went against everything he'd been raised to believe from birth. It 
also put his life and his family's lives in danger. To me, having 
qualms about committing murder in a situation like that is not a sign 
of someone who's lacking guts, but of someone who has a heart. 

Dana: 
If Draco was showing compassion in that moment then why did he not 
react at all when Snape kills DD? Why did he not try to stop Snape 
killing DD but let himself be shoved out of the way. Why did he not 
start yelling that it would be wrong to kill? Because Draco was 
scared that the DEs would kill him on sight. Draco did not care if DD 
died he just could not do it himself. Sure that is a good thing that 
you can't take another humans life for your own personal gain but it 
doesn't proof Draco did not kill DD out of the goodness of his heart. 
Proofs indeed Draco's heart is not truly ever so evil. But where is 
Draco compassion in feeling sorry he almost killed two students? 
Draco failed his mission because he did not have the nerve to kill 
another human being not because he did no longer want DD death. That 
is a good thing don't get me wrong but it was not because Draco 
realized what he was doing was wrong. 

JMHO

Dana