Horcrux location (was: format of the book 7 title)

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No: HPFGUIDX 171479

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "alica_daly" <alica_daly at ...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/163111:
> 
> Mitchell:
> > It seems to me that the deathly hallows are the places in which
> > Harry and the scoobies will have to travel in order to find the
> > final fragments of Voldemort's soul. The most simple answer is
> > usually the right one!! We all know Harry is on a mission to
> > find them. We also all know there will be certin death coming!!
> > Deathly Hallows = Sacred places of the Horcruxes! They'll be
> > found in the places that meant most to Voldemort and were sacred
> > to him!! The diary in the chamber of Secrets. The locket in the
> > cave he brought the children. I believe the others to be in the
> > Slytherin dorms, the orphange he grew up in, Godric's Hollow,
> > and the others......well I'm not too sure about. I'll just have
> > to re-read all the books again. lol...
> 
> 
> Alica:
> 
> It occurred to me about halfway through reading HBP that there
> had been a lot of discussion on the list about what the horcruxes
> would be, but not where they would be, which I think is equally
> important in terms of what is going to happen in DH. It's all
> very well for Harry to know what they are but he still needs to
> find them. Perhaps RAB (IMHO Regulus) somehow collected them all
> before he died, but I think that would perhaps be too easy.
> 
> I think that there would possibly be one in the orphanage. I'm
> assuming that the ring was in Little Hangleton (DD might have
> mentioned this, I can't recall). I don't think that there would
> be one in Godric's Hollow because LV would have failed to make
> the horcrux there. The cup is in the Room of Requirement.
> 
> Any other guesses out there, or could someone point me to
> somewhere that this has been discussed, all I could find was
> the above very short post.
> 
> Alica
> (who will be forgoing her fave activity (ultimate frisbee) to
> read DH on the day it is released)

These would be the defanged variety right?
>
Although Dumbledore explicitly states he believes the victims' whose 
deaths he uses and the HRX items are significant to Voldy he never 
actually tells us that the location is significant as well, but I 
think we can surmise that it is.

He says he "stumbled across the ring hidden in the ruin of the 
Gaunt's house", and this may well have given him the idea as he has 
been trying to locate the cave associated with the orphanage for "a 
very long time" and that he believes Voldy always intended for the 
diary to return to Hogwarts. On closer examination and with a little 
imagination (aka making it up!) the place, person and thing also 
appear to have associations between themselves.

The diary, the first HRX is related to the Chamber of Secrets in 
Hogwarts and quite possibly with the death of Moaning Myrtle, 
Voldy's first victim.

The ring, an heirloom from his maternal family who disowned Merope 
and therefore Tom, is located in the vicinity of his paternal family 
home where he killed his remaining Riddle family.

The locket is located in the orphanage cave. Merope, if  I interpret 
Hepzibah Smith correctly, sold it to Caractacus Burke, she 
says "Burke bought it, apparently, from a ragged looking woman who 
seemed to have stolen it, but had no idea of its true value

.I 
daresay Burke paid her a pittance". In this transaction Burke 
swindled Merope almost certainly of the funds she needed to support 
herself and Tom so that the locket can be said to be directly 
responsible for his `abandonment' in the orphanage. I'm prepared to 
suggest that Burke's death is the one that Voldy used to make this 
HRX (although that is a canon lite belief).

If there is a pattern of connections between person/place/thing then 
it should be easier for Harry to know where to start looking and 
what to look for.

On the whole we can be reasonably sure that DD is right in 
identifying the Hufflepuff cup as a HRX. The relevant death would be 
Hepzibah but what is the significant place? Shortly after nixing 
Hephzibah (even because of this) Tom takes off to reinvent himself 
as LV, where did he go? Well obviously we don't know but I bet that 
is where the cup is.  The cup and Hepzibah's death represent his 
final break from the WW as Tom Riddle. If I were Harry I'd want to 
know where he went to become LV. We have one non canon hint which is 
that the Death Eaters were formally known as the Knights of 
Walpurgis. A quick wiki search reveals that Walpurgis night  (aka 
witches` night) is celebrated in the Brocken mountains which was a 
high security military zone during the cold war and therefore a very 
good place for Tom/Voldy to hang out. Also a good place to recruit 
from the defunct or at least depleted KoW (possibly associated to 
the Nazi SS) and rebrand them to Death Eaters. A wild stab in the 
dark suggests that Durmstrang maybe near this location (then again 
maybe not).

The next significant event in Voldy's life is his return to the WW 
proclaiming himself the big bad. I'd imagine he'd want a high 
profile death for this perhaps a Minister for Magic, although no one 
springs immediately to mind. A related item would be a wand as it is 
the wand which is the object that most obviously identifies a 
wizard. The hiding place would be in plain sight, somewhere the 
whole world can see it, so I'm a fan of the wand in Ollivander's for 
this HRX.

Five down and one or possibly two to go
..

I've opted for Harry as an accidental HRX so any analysis of this 
would be futile! Although this does fulfil the pattern as the 
significant event is Voldy surviving death, victim is Lily Potter 
who almost did for him and item is Harry his nemesis who failed to 
defeat him and is a ringer for the Gryffindor item.

The final replacement -for-the-diary HRX is either Wormtail's silver 
hand or Nagini. This HRX marks Voldy's return to flesh for which 
both Wormtail and Nagini were participants, the significant death 
would be any of those following his corporeal rebirth: Bertha, Frank 
Grimes or Cedric would do. The place is by his side so he can daily 
gloat in his supremacy safe in the knowledge he is immortal (NOT!).

Regards
Jo