JKR's crying at the end of writing DH/ Double agent's death
dumbledore11214
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Wed Jul 11 00:15:48 UTC 2007
No: HPFGUIDX 171557
> zgirnius:
> > That is beside the point. The point is that, in contrast to what
> > Alla suggested in her post, a double agent is not necessarily
OFH.
> > The definition is about the relationship between two sides and
the
> > agent. Either or both sides may be *wrong* in what they believe
of
> > the double agent, but the definition still describes the idea of
> > what a double agent is supposed to be.
> <snip>
Alla:
Hmmm, I want to clarify.
Absolutely, according to Wikipedia definition double agent does not
have to be OFH that much is clear to me. But **my point** had a lot
with second sentence of that definition.
I was certainly using a bit different definition than what Wikipedia
gives, even if this definition is different from what this supposed
to mean or completely incorrect, that comes from me reading spy
fiction and inferring what double agent is for myself.
Hmmm, how to explain? To me double agent is someone who **changed**
his loyalty in the process, who maybe was recruited by rival country
at some point or decided that to be loyal to his initial boss is not
lucrative enough or something like that?
Does it make sense?
And in **my mind** double agent is absolutely somebody who is OFH,
because at some point of his life he changed his loyalties to
another boss and that is what I believe Snape did for whatever
reason.
Like here is the second sentence of Wiki definition:
"Double agents may be agents of the target organization who
infiltrate the controlling organization, or may be previously loyal
agents of the controlling organization who have been captured and
turned by the target; the threat of execution is the most common
method of turning a captured agent into a double agent."
THAT is probably the main reason why in my head I used to believe
and still do that double agent has no set in stone loyalties, yeah,
because in my mind double agent is usually turned by force or money.
So, if he changed the bosses once for threats or money, I do not
trust "double agent" to stay loyal to anybody but himself anymore.
Ugh, I am not sure how to explain better at the moment, I will come
back to it later, if I can.
> Dana:
> It is not besides the point for the simple fact that becoming a
> double agent does not have to be directed by either organization
but
> can be a decision a spy makes himself. >< BIG SNIP>
Alla:
Exactly.
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