New poll for HPforGrownups TBAY: Dumbledore is Ever So Evil!

[lizzyben04]

No: HPFGUIDX 171940

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman" 
<susiequsie23 at ...> wrote:
>
> HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
> > > HPforGrownups group:
> > > 
> > > Who will be proven to be ESE! by the end of Deathly Hallows?  
> > >   o Another person not named here (feel free to mention 
onlist) 
> > > 
> 
> lizzyben:
> >
> > What, no Dumbledore? That's my vote. From Harry's POV, at least, 
he 
> > is.
> 
> 
> SSSusan:
> Yay!  Someone who actually took the option of writing in here with 
her 
> different choice.  
> 
> Now I should have thought to include DD as an option in the list, 
but 
> I failed to think of him.  Would you be willing, Lizzyben, to 
explain 
> more what you meant when you said "From Harry's POV, at least, he 
> is"?  This intrigues me.
> 
> Siriusly Snapey Susan
>

lizzyben:

LOL, are you sure you want to hear the whole thing? Basically, I 
think that DD has been using Harry as part of an intricate & complex 
plan that is *not* in Harry's best interests. I've ranted about DD's 
sketchy actions before, but it's time to just come out with the 
accusation...

lizzyben blinks. Suddenly she is standing at a bay, surrounded by 
the wreckage of old ships. Far in the distance, she sees that a few 
ships have almost reached the opposite harbor. Knowing it is too 
late to start the journey now, lizzyben begins to construct a small 
boat. It needs to be sturdy, but it doesn't need to be large, 
because she knows that this boat won't get many passengers. She sets 
sail, and climbs up to the top mast to loudly proclaim: "Dumbledore 
is Ever So Evil!" Silence echoes. Suddenly, out of the corner of her 
eye, lizzyben spots a flotilla of "epitome of goodness" quotes 
approaching her at high speed. She veers sharply, narrowly avoiding 
the barrage of quotes, & resolutely aims the small boat towards the 
opposite harbor.

ESE!Dumbledore codified:

First, I think DD arranged the events at Godric's Hollow in order to 
defeat LV & get a Chosen One w/special powers - he did this by first 
leaking the prophecy, helping Lily w/ancient blood magic as a Plan B 
if they are discovered, then alerting LV of the Potter's secret 
location. He kept the invisibility cloak so that the Potters 
wouldn't be able to hide Harry beneath it (JKR's important unasked 
question). When LV attacks Harry, Lily's ancient magic protects 
Harry, causing the AK to rebound on LV & leave Harry w/special 
powers - just as DD intended. 
Details in message #171278. -
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/171278

DD needed this "chosen one" to be loyal to him & ready to fight. So 
he placed Harry w/the Dursleys, knowing that they wouldn't care 
about what happened to Harry, or interfere w/DD's Plan. DD let 
Sirius stay in Azkaban, knowing he was innocent, to get Harry's 
legal guardian out of the way. Because the Dursleys were so 
abusive, DD knew that Harry would be grateful & thankful that 
DD "rescued" him from this abusive home, & see Hogwarts as his real 
home. This ensured that he would be loyal & willing to fight for 
DD's cause from then on out. The blood protection thing was mostly 
just an excuse. 

He's also arranged things so that LV would use Harry's blood for his 
resurrection. Right before Harry's due back at Hogwarts, DD fetches 
Vapor Voldie back from Albania via Quirrel. DD also moves the Stone 
of immortality to Hogwarts as LV-bait. When LV tries to get it, DD 
ensures that Harry is there, too. LV realizes he can't touch or harm 
Harry & flees; now terrified of Harry's powers. DD lets Vapor 
Voldie go on purpose. DD destroys the Stone - knowing that LV will 
now have to resort to a specific magical ritual to ressurrect. 

In GOF, DD knows LV is back, because DD had previously purchased the 
Riddle House. He knows the ritual that LV will use to resurrect & 
has manipulated LV into choosing Harry for the "blood of the 
enemy."  LV thinks that using Harry's blood will remove the 
special "Can't touch" blood protection that Harry had in SS - just 
as DD intended. So when Harry tells DD about LV's reason for 
choosing Harry for the ritual, DD gets
a *Gleam of triumph*. All is going according to his Plan. Details in 
message #170937 - 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/170937. This 
means that DD knew Fake!Moody was a Death Eater, & knew what would 
happen when Harry entered the TWT. When Crouch Sr. tried to warn DD, 
DD called Fake!Moody, alone, to search the Hogwarts grounds for him, 
knowing Fake!Moody would kill Crouch when he found him. DD *wanted* 
the Death Eaters to be able to capture Harry. 

It seems like using Harry's blood created some special effects on 
LV - eg. he can't create more horcruxes, & possibly other side 
benefits. In OOTP, DD lures both Harry & LV to the MOM so that LV 
can possess him. This also increases Harry's strengths against LV - 
LV can no longer posess him or share visions. Sirius is killed, 
probably by DD or on DD's orders; Sirius was getting restless & too 
protective of Harry. In HBP, DD tries to inflame Harry's hatred & 
need for revenge in order to get the weapon ready, & this is 
partially why he makes Harry witness his death. And etc.

DD is sacrificing Harry's happiness & welfare for some distant 
greater good that *only* DD is allowed to see. He is *using* Harry 
as a pawn, & the traumas Harry endures are all part of increasing 
Harry's fitness for DD's larger purpose. The worst part is, DD 
actually seems to love Harry (against his will), yet he is still 
willing to do this. It's all for THE PLAN, the noble, brilliant plan 
that DD never sees fit to share w/Harry, even though his life may 
depend upon it. Is that Plan worth it? I don't know, but I suspect 
not. No goal is worth this much evil. Is defeating LV even the 
actual plan? I'm not sure any more. DD could have taken out LV many 
times himself, but he does not. 

By my count, DD is responsible for at least four murders, probably 
more - the Potters, Sirius, Crouch Sr., Cedric, & (indirectly) all 
of LV's new victims. He's caused Harry to have a miserable 
childhood, allowed him to be abused, tortured & traumatized, and 
killed the adults who actually loved Harry. DD exploits, 
manipulates, & sacrifices people for his goals, and all indications 
are that he expected to sacrifice Harry, as well. So yeah, however 
noble DD's ultimate goal might be, he is surely Ever So Evil from 
Harry's point of view. And mine, too. 


lizzyben