Prophecy Involvement- There are only two?
sdeepthi
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Thu Jul 19 16:27:33 UTC 2007
No: HPFGUIDX 172169
Chys:
> How does the one who records the names on the prophecies know that it
> is the "Dark Lord" and "Harry Potter(?)" if he doesn't know the full
> contents of the prophecy, as Dumbledore told Harry in the Weasley's
> smelly broomshed, 'only two people in the world know the full contents
> of the prophecy now?'
>
> I would guess that Dumbledore had shared some of this information but
> knowing how jealously he's guarded it, I doubt he would have done such
> a thing, knowing how important it is.
>
> -Chys, apologizing in advance if anyone already asked this, but I
> didn't find it anywhere and am very curious.
>
Deepthi:
I'm looking at OoP, US edition, and I think there are three possibilities.
(a) The keeper of the Hall of Prophecy has no knowledge of the contents of the prophecy.
We can reject this outright based on canon - On OoP page 842 Dumbledore says "It
seemed plain to the keeper of the Hall of Prophecy that Voldemort could only have tried to
kill you..."
(b) The keeper had full knowledge of the prophecy in order to make the recording but is
no longer alive, and hence Dumbledore is right in saying that only two people know it
now. If the keeper is still alive, then Dumbledore is lying, and I can't see the purpose of
lying in this instance (even if you concede MAGIC DISHWASHER to be correct)
(c) The keeper knew only the part of the prophecy that had been overheard.
The first part of the prophecy had been heard. The record in the MoM might itself have
been incomplete (we don't know for sure), but the part that was heard has "the Dark Lord"
in it. The prophecy was relabeled with Harry's name only after Voldemort's attack on him.
It had been labeled with (?) to start with.
You don't need to know the full contents of the prophecy to do that. The part that was
overheard is sufficient. Quote: "The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord
approaches.. Born to those who thrice defied him.. Born as the seventh month dies.." OoP
page 843
Of course thinking about this only raises more questions.
- Are you required to record every prophecy?
- Why did Dumbledore decide to record it? If you subscribe to MAGIC DISHWASHER, of
course, he did it to lure LV to MoM.
- Does the keeper of the Hall of Prophecy need to know the prophecy to record it? How are
prophecies recorded anyway?
- If only LV & Harry could lift the prophecy from the shelf, how did the keeper relabel it? By
performing a spell with a wand?
Deepthi - hoping that at least some of these questions will be answered in DH, but
realizing that most of them are minor points and we may never know for sure.
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