DH Thoughts

[fitzchivalryhk]

No: HPFGUIDX 172716

lupinlore:
> You are quite right that it is not entirely negative, and cannot be 
> easily summed up that way.  Dumbledore as I have said felt pity and 
> compassion for Snape, and respect.  But love?  No, I don't think so --
>  at least as compared to his feelings for Harry.

You seem to exclude Dumbledore's possibility of love for Snape simply
based on his willingness to send Snape to his death by the trick of
Eldar Wand, yet by the same logic, Dumbledore should have no love for
Harry as well because according to Dumbledore's original plan, Harry
would have been sent to (nearly) certain death as well. How do you
address this problem?

In another post, you have sketched Dumbledore's original plan as this:
1) DD willingly killed by Snape, leaving wand without a master;
2) Snape killed by Voldy, leaving Voldy with wand but not as master;
3) Harry sacrifices self, getting rid of disgusting mewling soul-
fragment thing;
4) Harry resurrected; now has immunities to some of Voldy's spells
5) Harry faces Voldy. Voldy weakened by using wand that is not bound
to him. Harry has advantage of immunities to UCs.
6) Harry defeats Voldy. Has Kreacher fetch sandwich. Takes nap.


While I agree from 1) to 3) of your sketch, my 4) differs:
4) Harry resurrected; the people he protected get immunities of
Voldy's spell, Harry does not.
5) Harry get killed by Voldemort, because his magical skill is far
beneath Voldy.
6) Other people manage to kill Nagini.
7) Big battle, other people manage to kill Voldemort.

The thing that protect Harry's from Voldie's AK is Harry's ownership
of the Eldar Wand, yet it is not in the original plan of Dumbledore.
If Draco has not conveniently disarmed Dumbledore and got the
ownership of the Eldar Wand, if Harry hadn't by chance defeated Draco,
Harry would not have got the ownership of the Eldar Wand at all.
Voldie's spell won't rebound, and Harry would be dead. 

So back to the original question, do you still think that Dumbledore
only send Snape to certain death, but not Harry?


lupinlore:
> Absolutely!  A large part (although not the whole) of justice is 
> inflicting pain on people who deserve it. 

fitz:
To me, your joy in Snape's death and suffering sounds much more like
revenge than justice. Your wishing of Snape's pain is based on his
treatment of Harry, which is mostly unfair taunting, house-point
deduction and detentions. None of these are life-threatening or
life-long traumatising. On the other hand, you completely ignore what
Snape has done for Harry, that he has saved Harry life and helped to
defeat Voldemort at great personal risk and pain. How is that fair?

Harry's naming his child after Snape is not just a sign of his
forgivness, but a show of gratitude for what Snape has done for him
and Lily. People do not name their child after someone just because
they have forgiven someone, but because they think he has done
something worthy of praise or thanks. Perhaps the implication of this
act can bring us another perspective to the Snape and Harry
relationship, although I doubt you would share Harry's  sentiments.

fitz