DH rambles and crows eating _ LOVEd this book

[jkoney65]

No: HPFGUIDX 172855

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "leslie41" <leslie41 at ...> wrote:
Leslie:
> No, he doesn't give a damn about Harry as a person.  Still, he does 
the 
> right thing.  That's Snape all over.  And he doesn't just do it for 
> Lily's sake.  Because Snape has changed.  Fred loses an ear because 
> Snape saves Lupin, for example, whom he cares less for than Harry.  
> Snape regrets having to witness the deaths of people (such as 
Charity) 
> that he, because of his circumstances as a double agent) cannot 
save.
> 
> Can you give him credit for something, just one thing, without 
tearing 
> him down and impugning his reasons for doing it?  
> 
> The man did help to save the world, after all.
>
Jack-A-Roe
Let's review a little bit:
- He basically looks down on Petunia because she isn't magical.
- His defense that his friends use dark magic is that Potter and his 
friends play jokes. The problem is that Lilly understands the 
difference between a practical joke and dark magic.
- He tries to find out what the marauders are doing and is saved by 
James from the werewolf.
- He insults Lilly and tries to apologize. She lets him know very 
directly that there is no difference between her and the others that 
he and his DE friends insult. She is practically challenging him to 
admit is loyalties right there. When he doesn't say anything she 
leaves him.
- He provides the information that causes Voldemort to go after her.
- He asks Voldemort to spare her but doesn't care about her husband 
or child.
- He agrees to protect Lilly's son. Not Harry the person, just her 
son.
- He tries and threatens to have Harry expelled, which would be the 
opposite of trying to protect him.
- He is verbally and emotionally abusive to Harry throughout the 
books although he does try to protect him from Quirrel.
- He never sees Harry for who he is but thinks of him as if he is 
James: "mediocre, arrogant as his father, a determined rule breaker"
- He agrees not to run away like Karkaroff.
- He goes back to Voldemort as DD's spy.
- He provides info the Order, although we don't know exactly what.
- He extends DD's life.
- He basically admits that his soul is not perfect and agrees to be 
the one to kill DD.
- He whinges like a petulant child when DD won't confide in him 
everything that is going on. "You confide much more in a boy who 
isn't capable of Occlumancy, whose magic is mediocre"
- He is upset that all of his work is for nothing because Lilly's son 
is supposed to die. He's not upset about Harry, only that Lilly's son 
is supposed to die.
- He attempts to save Lupin but misses and curses off George's ear.
- He is upset by the use of mudblood. I think more because it cost 
him Lilly than because it is an inappropriate term.
- He does his best to convince Voldemort to let him get Harry.
- He would have failed to give his information to Harry if Voldemort 
had killed him outright or if Harry hadn't been right there.

So we are left with a man who's obsessive love for a women, drove him 
to try to make up for the fact that he got her killed. 

Did he ever care about Harry? No, he tells us this by showing his doe 
patronus when DD asked him. 

Did he end up helping the light side? Yes. Not because he saw the 
errors of his ways but because he was trying to make it up to Lilly.

And since results do matter, I will say that he redeemed himself 
somewhat. But he was still a poor human being who only truly cared 
about himself and Lilly.

And no I would not have named my child after him.