Prank and various responsibilities WAS: Re: Marietta

[montavilla47]

No: HPFGUIDX 169670

> Dana:
> Well it is half the truth actually because James and Lupin where not 
> in on it (I do not know about Peter as it is not mentioned) and Lupin 
> specifically stated; "of course Snape tried it"  specifically meaning 
> that is was Snape's own choice to go and pass the willow, something 
> that was specifically forbidden to go near by the Head Master 
> himself. 

Montavilla47:
"Of course Snape tried it" implies to me that Snape's desire to know
what was going on with the Marauders was so strong and so 
evident that his going into the tunnel was an obvious outcome of 
Sirius telling him how.  

Dana:
> Hagrid was tricked into telling the secret on how to get passed 
> Fluffy. 
> 
> 1) Was Hagrid robed of his free choice to reveal the secret? My 
> opinion – no, he wasn't he still should have held is tong because 
> Fluffy was no longer just Hagrid's pet. 

Montavilla47:
It's more than Fluffy no longer being just Hagrid's pet.  It's that 
Fluffy is an important safeguard for something that many people
would want--and that at least one person has already tried to 
steal.

By agreeing to provide an obstacle to the stone, Hagrid was 
agreeing to protect the secret of how to get beyond the 
obstacle.  Too bad Dumbledore wasn't as clever as Hermione.  
He could have had Hagrid sign a list of teachers and, after 
Hagrid let the secret slip, pustules would appear on his face
spelling out the word, "Imbecile."

Dana:
> 2) Was Hagird responsible for the choice Quirrell made to go after 
> the stone when he knew how to get passed Fluffy? My opinion - No, he 
> wasn't because Quirrell already wanted the stone with or without 
> Hagrid's information. 

Montavilla47:
Hagrid's not responsible for *Quirrell* going after the stone, he's 
responsible for allowing *anyone* to go after the stone.
 
Dana:
> 3) Was Hagrid responsible for Harry's choice to protect the stone 
> when Harry found out how to get passed Fluffy? My opinion – No, he 
> wasn't because Harry already wanted to protect the stone and stop who 
> ever was after it. 

Montavilla47:
This is a bit tricky, but Harry wouldn't have felt the need to go after
the stone if Hagrid hadn't told Harry about letting the secret slip.  It was
the knowledge that the mysterious burglar could get past Fluffy that
made Harry determined to go steal the stone first.

Dana: 
> The same goes for Sirius. Trick or no trick, Sirius did not influence 
> Snape's reason's for going, even if Sirius would have played it on 
> Snape's biggest weakness (for instance that he was to cowardly to 
> go), then it was still Snape's decision to proof Sirius wrong.  
> Sirius intentions had no influence on Snape wanting to know what 
> Lupin was up to or wanting to know why Lupin was hidden behind a 
> murderous tree (or whatever other reason Snape had for going) 
> Snape was already tailing Lupin and he already wanted to know and 
> just like Harry, Snape could already have found out all the 
> information he wanted too, if he just had put the monthly 
> disappearances of Lupin on a calendar and hold it next to a lunar 
> chart. 

Montavilla47:
But, knowing that Snape was already motivated to go into the tunnel
(to find out what the Marauders were up to), Sirius provided Snape 
with the means.  To me, that's sort of like handing a loaded pistol to
someone who has stated their intention to play Russian roulette.

Did you motivate them to shoot a gun at their head?  No.  It is possible
that the worst thing that will happen is that they get a good scare?  
Yes.  It is possible, indeed probable, that they will end up shooting
themselves in the head?  Yes.


Montavilla47