Prank and various responsibilities WAS: Re: Marietta

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No: HPFGUIDX 169721

> Alla:
<SNIP>
>> But for the record if it is true, the speculation, I do not 
believe 
> Marauders knew that Snape figured it out. I think he decided to 
> outsmart them and go. So, Sirius responsibility is still there, 
> really.
> 
> Of course Snape dear becomes even more disgusting if that 
> **speculation** is true.
> 
> But of course it may not be true. It is after all just speculation.
> 
> 
> Magpie:
> Okay--I see what you mean, particularly with Sirius not knowing 
that Snape
> knew. The two questions that brings up for me, though, is that a) 
Snape
> still seems genuinely angry about Sirius "trying to kill" him. 
Now, I
> assume you could say he's lying or just angry on principle. 


Alla:

Oh, no, I do not think he is lying if this speculation is true. I 
just think that he is conveniently disregards his own sinister 
motives in that night, if this is what happens. After all, Sirius 
did trick him to go in there. And if he figured out who Remus is, 
maybe it happened, I don't know an hour before, several minutes 
before Snape decides to enter a Shack? You know?

So, who cares if Snape decided to try and finish Remus off with one 
of the spells which maybe he himself invented? Life of Dark creature 
is not worth much after all, now the previous life of Severus Snae, 
who idiot Sirius dared to risk on the other hand is another story.


Magpie: 
> But the problem is b) which is that if Snape was going into the 
tunnel
> knowing he was meeting a werewolf because he wanted to kill Lupin 
as a
> werewolf, then I have a hard time finding a way Snape would think 
James
> saved his life. I think he would consider James to have saved 
Lupin's life,
> not Snape's.


Alla:

Why though? I do not believe that Snape went there being all that 
sure that he is going to emerge a winner, so he may still say that 
James saved his life.

Now, yes, sure, he should have said that James saved both lives that 
night - his and Lupin, if this **speculation** is true, but I think 
it is not the first time the character makes plot based omission, no?

Oooops, sorry Harry - your dad saved not one but two innocent lives 
that night ( or maybe one of them was not so innocent)

> > Alla:
> > 
> > Maybe. Or maybe some students did and since they were not all 
the 
> > bigots of Slytherin variety, they decided to keep Lupin's 
secret. I 
> > think there is nothing in canon that contradicts my speculation.
> 
> Pippin:
> It is *not* just Slytherin bigots who are afraid of werewolves. 
It's wizarding 
> society as a whole. Harry himself worries about running into 
werewolves 
> in the Forbidden Forest more than once. Molly is afraid of the 
werewolf
> she encounters at Saint Mungo's though he's incapacitated, not 
> transformed, and full moon is weeks away.  Also, if there's no 
general
> fear of werewolves, Snape would hardly expect to be thought a hero
> for disposing of one of them.
<SNIP>


Alla:

**Of course** society as a whole is afraid of them unfortunately. 
Nevertheless, since we have read about one girl who was keeping 
Lupin secret for a year, I think it is a fair hope to speculate that 
there are at least some students like her in Hogwarts. But in any 
event, I was just pointing out that there is a possibility that some 
students answered a question correctly, figured out who Lupin is and 
just kept quiet.


Pippin: 
> If Snape wanted to kill a werewolf to show off, why would he enter 
the
> tunnel in secret? Wouldn't he rather try to lure Lupin out so that 
the
> whole school could witness his prowess? As a matter of fact, the
> Forbidden Forest is supposedly full of werewolves that Snape could 
kill 
> without so much trouble. 
> 
> If Snape wanted to kill Lupin in particular for some reason, a few 
drops 
> of something lethal in the pumpkin juice would be a lot swifter 
and less 
> dangerous. 


Alla:

Ask Snape, Pippin LOL. Seriously though - maybe he wanted to drag 
out dead werewolf and show whole school, to show how good in DA he 
is. After all, who knows how werewolf mind works, maybe Snape 
believed he had more chance while in tunnel.

As to the poison - um, no. I think killing werewolf in battle is 
something that Snape would consider far more glorious and Order of 
Merlin worthy. Isn't speculation fun? :)


 
> > Alla:
> > 
> > And still in PoA Snape goes to the Shack knowing that he may 
face a 
> > werewolf, does he not? I think Snape will be very happy to kill 
a 
> > werewolf or two. Just **speculating** here of course.
> 
> Pippin:
> He had found the Invisibility Cloak, which he knows that Harry 
would
> not have abandoned lightly. He's got to find out what's going on.
> OTOH, he's been treated as crying 'wolf' all year. He's not going 
to
> send for help and get brushed  off again.

Alla:

Yep. Maybe that is what happened in the year prank occurred as well? 
he was crying to Dumbledore that Remus Lupin IS a werewolf and 
should not be in Hogwarts school? After all Dark creature, getting 
an education just as everybody else? How dare he?


Pippin: 
> But of course it is possible that something like that happened in 
the
> Prank as well, and Snape thought that someone  or something
> (Lily? Narcissa? His potions book?) had been carried off  or 
stolen 
> and he needed to get into the tunnel to save it.

Alla:

Maybe.


Pippin: 
> There are really several prank mysteries, packed one inside the
> other like a Russian doll. One: why did Snape enter the willow
> at the proper time? Two: why didn't he draw back on his own
> when he heard the werewolf? Three: why did he keep Lupin's
> secret afterwards?
> <SNIP>


Alla:

I have much more questions about Prank than that. And my first one 
starts with why the heck Snape listened to anybody his sworn enemy 
suggested and did that?

Saving Lily will actually work well to answer this one, hmmmmm. 
Thanks.



> Alla:
> > As to nobody in canon ever suggested that situation - eh, of 
course 
> > they did not, if it meant to be a surprise in book 7 IMO. And I 
do 
> > not believe that it will take a lot of effort to change the 
picture 
> > we have now with the missing information and all that. 
> 
> Pippin:
> But JKR does not pull surprises like that with no preparation. 
There's
> always something you can look back on and say "oooh, that was a 
hint."
> I don't see any hints for this at all. We don't have any bona fide 
cases
> of someone  taking on a monster for kicks, though several people
> have claimed that they or others did so. 


Alla:

Eh, you are saying that any major revelation has to be foreshadowed 
by similar one?

I don't think so. I brought up what I believe maybe a hint to make 
this work, if this one to come true. Add to this multiple blanks I 
believe we have about Prank night and here we go IMO.

JMO,

Alla