Snape, Snapety, Snapoonchik WAS: Re: /What Harry "knows"/Draco's Birthday

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 169926

> > > Alla:
> > > 
> > > I do not think I understand. I am not even talking about 
> > completely 
> > > ESE Snape here, I think, but about the one that is Greyer than DD!
> > M. 
> > 
> > Magpie:
> > I guess I forget that people consider a Snape that goes back and 
> > forth in any way. To me it seems like he's either LVM or DDM. I 
> > don't think he can be both. LVM is completely black, because he's 
> > both loyal to LV and a jerk who hates Harry unfairly. DDM Snape is 
> > grey because he's a jerk who hates Harry but also committed to 
> > Dumbledore's side.
> 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Um, you forget that OFH or LID or Grey Snape exist as theories?  
> Okay, I hope I refreshed your recollection then <g>
> 
> 
>  
> > Alla:
> > > And I want to ask again, I guess. How is it forgiving a man, who 
> > > let's say committed a murder because he thought he had no other 
> > way  to help the good guys, but *without DD asking him to** does not 
> > > amounts to much?
<snip>
> This Snape  is indeed trapped into taking a vow, and he does not tell 
> DD about third provision. Not because he wants to kill DD or 
> anything, but because Snape never admits his mistakes in canon, he is 
> too proud and arrogant and hopes to deal with it himself and outsmart 
> vow. And here we go, Oooops.
> 

Pippin:
This sounds more like a version of ESE!Lupin  where he  thought he had no
other way to help the good guys, the good guys in this case including his
fellow werewolves, and thought he could outsmart Voldemort and
Dumbledore both. Hmmm, I wonder if the theory would be more
popular if I named it Grey!Lupin?

But regardless of who the villain is, if Harry has to give up hatred 
for his own sake, because it is poisoning his heart and weakening 
his power to love, then I don't see what knowing the backstory has 
to do with it, especially things that make young!Snape look worse. 

But if Harry and Snape have to *trust* each other, not just cease 
hostilities, then they will need to understand one another a whole
lot better than they do now. I note this passage in GoF:

---
"It is time for you to lay aside your old differences and trust each
other."

Harry thought Dumbledore was asking for a near miracle. Sirius
and Snape were eyeing each other with the utmost loathing.

"I will settle, in the short term," said Dumbledore, with a bite
of impatience in his voice, "for a lack of open hostility. You will
shake hands. You are on the same side now. Time is short,
and unless the few of us who know the truth stand united, 
there is no hope for any of us."
--

I think it is as Dumbledore feared, and the lack of trust between
Sirius, Snape and Harry has already cost both Sirius and Dumbledore
himself their lives. 

Pippin