Snape, Snapety, Snapoonchik WAS: Re: /What Harry "knows"/Draco's Birthday

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No: HPFGUIDX 169920

> > Alla:
> > 
> > I do not think I understand. I am not even talking about 
> completely 
> > ESE Snape here, I think, but about the one that is Greyer than DD!
> M. 
> 
> Magpie:
> I guess I forget that people consider a Snape that goes back and 
> forth in any way. To me it seems like he's either LVM or DDM. I 
> don't think he can be both. LVM is completely black, because he's 
> both loyal to LV and a jerk who hates Harry unfairly. DDM Snape is 
> grey because he's a jerk who hates Harry but also committed to 
> Dumbledore's side.


Alla:

Um, you forget that OFH or LID or Grey Snape exist as theories?  
Okay, I hope I refreshed your recollection then <g>


 
> Alla:
> > And I want to ask again, I guess. How is it forgiving a man, who 
> > let's say committed a murder because he thought he had no other 
> way 
> > to help the good guys, but *without DD asking him to** does not 
> > amounts to much?
> > 
> > Harry will still think that Snape murdered his mentor, but Harry 
> will 
> > be able to identify with Snape's reasoning, MAYBE, that he felt 
> > helpless, trapped, maybe Snape indeed saw that there was no hope 
> for 
> > DD to live, but DD himself still thought that there is hope.
> > 
> > You do not think it will be **huge** thing for Harry to forgive 
> this 
> > Snape?
> 
> Magpie:
> Isn't that DDM Snape? If he murdered DD to help the good guys then 
> Harry has to accept that Snape's one of the good guys. Though I 
> doubt that if he is DDM that's quite the way it worked--because 
like 
> you, that really does seem like a bit much for Snape to have 
decided 
> on his own. 
<SNIP>


Alla:

This is what in mind I call Severely Siguine's Snape. I know I said 
many times that I consider that theory to be a stroke of genius on 
her behalf, but I am going to say it again - Sanguine, if you are 
listening, you are a genius.

So, is it a DD!M Snape? Um, for the most part, sure in my opinion, 
except for the part where DD does not **order** Snape to kill him, 
like at all.

I will be very happy if this theory comes true, really, because it 
plays significantly on Snape character flaws that IMO lead to his 
downfall. Truly, I will be just as happy as with LID Snape here or 
Evil one, because this theory does not **absolve** Snape of 
responsibility for murder at all. And that is what I am primarily 
concerned with.

This Snape  is indeed trapped into taking a vow, and he does not tell 
DD about third provision. Not because he wants to kill DD or 
anything, but because Snape never admits his mistakes in canon, he is 
too proud and arrogant and hopes to deal with it himself and outsmart 
vow. And here we go, Oooops.

I am summarizing the theory, but here is the link again if anyone is 
interested, if I am misstating anything, sorry Siguine.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/135892?
threaded=1&l=1

Right so on the Tower Snape truly feels that there is no other way. 
Maybe DD indeed dying from green goo, maybe not. But Snape feels that 
he won't escape unless he offs DD and he indeed may hate himself for 
putting **himself** in such position.

The key difference is **of course** that DD does not feel that he 
needs to die and his please in Siguine interpretation is that 
Severus, please, please do not tell me that my trust in you was 
incorrect afterwards.

Meaning as I understand it that DD's trust in Snape is still not 
wavering, but he sort of wants to make sure?



Magpie:
Besides which, I think the murder had to in some way be 
> an answer to "Severus, please," which indicates something going on 
> betten DD and Snape that they both know about.
<SNIP>

Alla:

Answer meaning on DD orders? Then I hope not. Severus, please 
certainly has to be explained IMO but I do not think that murder 
necessarily has to be an answer to it.


JMO,

Alla