The Wise Old Fool, his Kith and his Kin (Quite Long, Even for Me)

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No: HPFGUIDX 170142

Sridhar says:

Giving a new life to this long thread that talks about so many 
interesting things.

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

<Sridhar's regretful snip of a great post by Goddlefron and an 
equally great reply by Carol>

> 'Course Dumbledore trusts you,' growled Moody. 'He's a trusting 
man,
> isn't he? Believes in second chances. But me - I say there are 
spots
> that don't come off, Snape. Spots that never come off, d'you know 
what
> I mean?' [24]
> 
> Carol responds:
 
> Interesting question and not one we can get a definitive answer to
> considering the state of Barty Jr.'s soul, but he's clearly 
attacking
> Snape on some level, and he's doing it on a dual level, as himself,
> hating Snape for "walking free," and as "Moody," who as of 
Karkaroff's
> trial, still distrusted Snape (and has perhaps told Barty that 
under
> the influence of the Imperius curse). IMO, he wants Snape to think
> that DD doubts Snape's loyalty and has authorized him, Moody, to 
raid
> Snape's office (a lie, of course, since DD trusts Snape 
completely),
> and he's also, I think, trying to raise Harry's suspicions that 
Snape
> might have put Harry's name in the Goblet of Fire. 

The spots may refer to the Dark mark as someone mentioned, but it 
could also refer to the stigma one gets when is branded as a DE, 
especially a "reformed" DE. LV doesn't trust him fully, while the WW 
still has deep misgivings about him. it could also refer to being 
a "Half-blood"

Snape, I think, knows DD trusts him completely, but as Moody is 
supposed to be extremely paranoid, he might feel Moody is simply 
behaving in his usual way. I am not sure about Moody's intentions, 
though.

> I'm not sure, but I think that Snape hesitates to use Legilimency 
on
> "Moody" in part because of that unnerving magical eye (he'd have to
> concentrate on the other one while being, essentially, X-rayed with
> the magical one) and in part because of who he thinks "Moody" is. 
So
> he's thrown off in his suspicions, but not in his dislike, for the
> DADA instructor who also has DD's trust. (Now there's a big 
mistake on
> DD's part.)

Moody was a great Auror and he could easily know when someone was 
practicing Legimancy on him, which could easily make the paranoid 
Moody go berserk. I am also surprised that so many great wizards and 
witches who knew the real Moody (DD, McGonagall, Snape, Hagrid) 
could not detect the impostor. Something should have given him away, 
some character streak...

> And I think he used that eagle
> owl to express those doubts, which would partially explain "one 
who I
> believe has left me forever" in the graveyard.

A remark that has me counfounded. Like the assassin Carlos the 
Jackal, LV could be doing the illogical or he may be logical.

LV knows that Harry would repeat this conversation if he ever 
escaped, so he added this sentence. All would firmly believe that 
Snape is on DD's side, which would not be the case. But this has a 
couple of flaws:

1. LV never believed that Harry could escape him, puny as he was!!!
2. I don't remember correctly, but some DE says that the "Dark Lord" 
always knows where his DE's are. LV knows about Snape has left him 
(Karkaroff being the coward and Barty Jr being the one at Hogwarts, 
although Goddlefrod's theory about Snape and Karkaroff's 
descriptions are interpreted wrongly is interesting!!!)


> Carol:
> And also, of course, he knew about the Horcruxes, and that LV 
couldn't
> be killed. Vaporizing him would just delay matters, and Harry was
> reaching an age when he could actually confront and defeat an 
embodied
> Voldemort. (I also think that an AK is one of those spells that DD 
is
> "too noble" to use, but that's beside the point. He knew that 
Harry,
> the Chosen One, had to destroy the Horcruxes and then defeat
> Voldemort--which, I agree will involve Love, not an AK or other 
Dark
> spell.)
>(Which is not to say that the spell itself would not
> cause a fate worse than death, but, then, DD knows he's not the 
Chosen
> One who can defeat Voldemort, so he would have known that he 
couldn't
> defeat LV as he defeated Grindelwald.) 

I know Harry is the chosen one, but I am real wondering why DD 
cannot defeat LV. This points to the fact that there must be 
something magical linking LV and Harry, giving credence to the Harry 
is a Horcrux (or LV is a Harry horcrux!!!)theory.

> > 

> Carol:
> OTOH, "living" in the form of vapor, or even existing essentially
> forever with one seventh of a soul could be considered a fate worse
> than death, as LV would learn, probably, after a thousand years or 
so,
> at which point, he might even destroy his own Horcruxes so he could
> die. It won't happen that way, of course, but one thing DD is 
saying,
> IMO, is that death is the natural extension of life, "the next 
great
> adventure," and not something to be feared. 

I think DD considers everlasting life a curse, which LV doesn't 
understand. If you had everlasting, but potentially dangerous life, 
you could never have everlasting peace. Also, without someone to 
love, being truly alone in the soul (without a soulmate) could be 
something LV realises after thousands of years.

> Carol, who thinks she deserves an Order of Merlin seventh class for
> making it through this entire post, footnotes and all

Sridhar, who believes that Carol and a few others are actually JKR 
herself under different names, come down to thoroughly confuse and 
educate us (at the same time!!!). No one else can know canon so 
well. No one.