[HPforGrownups] Regulus' death(was: Snape - a werewolf bigot?? Was: Say it isn't so Lupin!!!

[sistermagpie]

No: HPFGUIDX 170169

wynnleaf,
I'll repeat something I said about this recently. Sirius may have
known the date of Regulus' death. We have no hard evidence that he
did not know the date, although Sirius' comments about it in OOTP are
pretty vague, as though he didn't know the details. But the tapestry
has death dates for Regulus, so although those might only include the
year, it does seem possible that Sirius knew the date.

But that doesn't explain how Lupin could possibly know that only "a
few days," went by between... between what? Between Regulus turning
from Voldemort and his death? Or between Voldemort hearing about it
and Regulus' death? Either way, how could Lupin know?

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Further, I don't see any indication that Regulus turned away from
Voldemort and went to Sirius. Sirius seems far to vague about it, as
though he doesn't know the details, which he *would* know if Regulus
had come to him.

So how does Lupin know that it was only a few days between Regulus
turning, or Voldemort hearing about it, and Regulus getting killed?

Magpie:
I would take that a step further--Lupin and Sirius could both have heard of
Regulus' death, but how on earth did anyone know that he'd turned? Did he
make a scene in front of LV? They wouldn't have heard this sort of thing
from other DEs.

 He leaves the note saying he knows he'll be dead but afterwards LV will
find out he took his Horcrux. And the tone of the note immediately makes
Regulus seem a lot more important a person than Sirius made him out to be.
Did he find the Horcrux first and then, when he knew he had it, make some
sort of public gesture that showed that he was leaving the DEs?

So what exactly did anybody on the other side know? Sirius is vague, yet he
still has some idea that Regulus got cold feet and tried to get out. I
wonder if Regulus, who knew he was going to die, took some steps to make
this story known to the right people? It may have been important to him
that he be known to have not died a DE. Or perhaps he *did* send some sort
of communication to Sirius that Sirius misunderstood because it in itself
was vague so that Sirius could only assume that things had gone the way he
imagined. If he did get a communication he might have known when it
happened. Like, if he got a note after the fact that indicated Regulus had
learned LV was wrong, but he received the note after Regulus was dead. I
know some people feel like Sirius doesn't care about his brother, but I
could easily believe his calling him an idiot was covering up bitterness
for his sake as well as his own. Regulus was suckered in by his parents'
ideology, and I love the idea that Sirius naturally made Regulus' death
part of that same story. I mean, he must have considered it a good thing
that Regulus *tried* to leave the DEs--that alone showed he'd done
something right.

It may be a plot hole, that JKR just figured that Sirius somehow knew the
story because it was known, but it does seem to be moving from a vague
story to a specific story, one that may depend on our side knowing at least
some hard facts that they haven't yet shared with Harry.

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