Voldemort's Age

[Geoff Bannister]

No: HPFGUIDX 170251

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "jmwcfo" <jmwcfo at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> > > Karen: 
> > > "Voldemort put a bit of himself in me?" Harry said, thuderstruck.
> > > "It certainly seems so." (DD)
> > 
> > Geoff:
> > This has been mentioned previously, especially after the existence 
> of 
> > Horcruxes was first revealed in HBP.
> > 
> > The relevant quote, more fully, is:
> > '"You can speak Parseltongue, Harry," said Dumbledore 
> calmly, "because 
> > Lord Voldemort - who is the last remaining descendant of Salazar 
> > Slytherin - can speak Parseltongue. Unless I'm much mistaken, he 
> > transferred some of his own powers to you the night he gave you 
> > that scar. Not something he intended to do, I'm sure..."
> > 
> > "Voldemort put a bit of himself in me?" Harry said thunderstruck.
> > 
> > "It certainly seems so."'
> > (COS "Dobby's Reward" p.245 UK edition)
> > 
> > Two points arise from this.
> > 
> > First, let us remember that Dumbledore was not speaking about 
> > physical transfers but mental or intellectual transfers (for want 
> of 
> > a better description). 
> > 
> > Second, Dumbledore believes that Voldemort did not intend to 
> > effect this transfer. We have discussed in the past how Horcruxes 
> > might be made at some length and a number of members have 
> > reached the conclusion that Horcruxes just don't happen - or 
> > happen accidentally. They have to be set up and planned for 
> > which is a view to which I subscribe.
> 
> 
> JW:
> DD surmised that LV did plan on creating the 6th horcrux for the 
> deaths of the Potters.  If DD was correct, than LV was well-prepared -
>  the appropriate potions were brewed and incantations spoken.  The 
> stage was set.  LV's soul was splintered once again, but unique 
> circumstances left it with no place to go.
> 
> As a result, I am a little more friendly to the possibility of 
> Horcrux!Harry than Geoff appears to be.  After sifting through dozens 
> of posts on this topic, I consider the concept to be plausible but 
> not convincing; hence, possible but unlikely.  I would be surprised 
> but not thunderstruck if it came to pass.

Geoff:
I have indeed posted on the subject of Harry on noty being a Horcrux 
several times including posts 157828, 155109, 150494, 140343 and 
139937 - not a complete list.

I would pose the following two thoughts after reading your comments 
above:

First, Voldemort may have brewed the potions although I doubt the 
incantations; my feeling is that incantations operate as soon as they 
are spoken, they can't be "post-dated". When the Avada Kedavra backfired 
and Voldemort was disembodied, he had no opportunity to get to the 
potions or speak the words of the spells.

Second, if someone commits murder and splits his or her soul, there is 
nothing in canon which says that the soul fragment has to leave the body. 
It can remain there, separated from the rest of the soul. A Horcrux is a 
specific container or encasing for the soul fragment, created by the 
wizard. If he does not perform the magic to reate one, then there 
"ain't one guv".