Voldemort's Age

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 170256

---  "Geoff Bannister" <gbannister10 at ...> wrote:
>
> --- , "jmwcfo" <jmwcfo@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> >>> Karen: 
> >>> "Voldemort put a bit of himself in me?" Harry
> >>> said, thuderstruck. "It certainly seems so." (DD)
> >> 
> >> Geoff:
> >> This has been mentioned previously, especially 
> >> after the existence of Horcruxes was first 
> >> revealed in HBP.
> >> 
> >> ...
> >> 
> >> Two points arise from this.
> >> 
> >> First, let us remember that Dumbledore was not 
> >> speaking about physical transfers but mental or 
> >> intellectual transfers .... 
> >> 
> >> Second, Dumbledore believes that Voldemort did not
> >> intend to effect this transfer. ...
> > 
> > 
> > JW:
> > DD surmised that LV did plan on creating the 6th 
> > horcrux for the deaths of the Potters. ... LV was 
> > well-prepared - the appropriate potions were brewed
> >  and incantations spoken.  ...
> 
> Geoff:
> I have indeed posted on the subject ...
> 
> I would pose the following two thoughts ...:
> 
> First, Voldemort may have brewed the potions although
> I doubt the incantations; my feeling is that 
> incantations operate as soon as they are spoken, they
> can't be "post-dated". ...
> 
> Second, if someone c... splits his ... soul, there is 
> nothing in canon which says that the soul fragment has
> to leave the body. 
>
> ... A Horcrux is a  specific container ...for the soul
> fragment, created by the wizard. If he does not perform
> the magic to create one, then there "ain't one guv".
>

bboyminn:

I have to agree with Geoff. Let us look at the first
Horcrux. In the summer of his 15 year, Tom Riddle
kill his father and grandparents. However, during
the next school year of Tom's 16th year, he is
asking Slughorn about Horcruxes and is wearing this
father's ring. We do know the ring was eventually a
Horcrux.

So, it seems that creating a Horcrux is not a 
spontaneous and immediate act. Tom doesn't create the 
First Horcrux until many months after the deaths he 
likely based it on. Plus, Slughorn doesn't mention
anything about a potion; but that is a minor side
point. I understand that it was mentioned because we
are lacking so many details of Horcrux creation so
we fill with speculation.

So, I'm not buying the idea that Voldemort made all
these advanced preparations to create his last 
Horcrux, because advanced preparations don't seem
to be necessary. 

I further agree that even though the soul might be
damaged by killing someone, the soul still normally
remains together in one place; its original body.
Because of this, in time, I suspect the soul can heal
itself to some extent. But, if you remove the soul
bit from the original body and place it in a new 
object, all hope of repair, redemption, and salvation
is lost.

Now, because the rebounding AK is such a rare and 
unusual event, there could have been some special
circumstances that allowed a stray bit of Voldemort's
soul to seek the nearest warm body. That warm body
being Harry, but that is a huge unfounded speculation.

A Horcrux might have been created, but Voldemort, by
no means, did the creating. If it happened, it was 
just a random fluke of magic.

But, the problem with this theory is that the fount
of all knowledge about the connection between Harry
and Voldemort, as well as our source of knowledge
about Horcruxes, an additional fount of magical 
knowledge, and our authority on the general Harry/
Voldemort dynamic is all Dumbledore, and Dumbledore,
while he seems to understand the connection, gives
no indication that he thinks the bit of Voldemort in
Harry is a piece of Voldemort's soul. 

Dumbledore has had too many perfect opportunities
to make this speculation and he has not. I think it
is a bit of Voldemort's magic, which Dumbledore makes
very clear is separate from his soul, that is in 
Harry. Still it won't be much longer before we know
for sure. 

So, an accidental Horcrux-ish thingy is a slim 
possibility, but a truly and intentionally created 
Horcrux!Harry seems extremely unlikely.

Steve/bboyminn