Justice to Snape WAS: Re: Werewolves? There Wolves!

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No: HPFGUIDX 170559

> Pippin:
> Um, what about the part where he turned spy for the Order at
> great personal risk? Are you saying that if he had been a careless
> spy and gotten himself killed it would have been just, 
> but since he was a good spy and stayed alive so he could keep 
> supplying the Order with information, it was a slap on the wrist?
> 
> IOW, Dumbledore should  have sent him on a suicide mission?
> I don't think so.


Alla:

No, I am saying that I am not convinced that Snape was spying for 
Dumbledore at great personal risk AND accordingly so far I am not 
convinced that this was sufficient punishment for what he did, since 
I do not know what exactly he did for Dumbledore and whether it was 
for Dumbledore or for Voldemort or for Snape.

Toonmili:
> I think living with the guilt would be quite enough
> punishment. He clearly feels bad about it, up to this day he can't
> say Lily's name.

Alla:

Well, not to me. Actually scratch that - if I will **see** that Snape 
is living with guilt indeed, not hear through second party word that 
he is, I may revise my opinion.


Right now Dumbledore's *greatest remorse* is countered by Snape's 
spinned him a  tale of the deepest remorse in my mind.

If I hear from Snape that he is sorry for what he helped doing to 
Harry's parents and Harry and that he regrets it, I may think it 
counts, but I want to hear it from Snape's mouth.

So, basically all depends on how it is written and only if Snape DD!
M. Since right now I think of him as murderous, treacherous bastard 
and child abuser, no punishment is too big for him in my view.


Toonmili:
> Snape did tell Voldemort the prophecy but Lily, James and Harry 
would
> have been fine had Wormtail not sell them out. The difference 
between
> Wormtail and Snape is that Snape never denied responsibility, he 
told
> Dumbledore what he did. Wormtial hid as a rat, let another man who
> was his friend spend 12 years in Azkaban and then lied about it when
> he was discovered.
> 
> Another thing is that Snape repays his debts. When James saved his
> life, Snape choose to repay it by saving Harry's life. Has Wormtail
> ever tried to help Harry since he saved his life. No, not once. if
> it's anyone who needs to experience any sort of justice it's him.


Alla:

Um, what's Wormtail has to do with it? Of course Wormtal is the scam 
of the earth and should be brought to justice as well as far as I am 
concerned.

I cannot share your confidence that Potters would have been fine had 
Wormtail not sold them out. Without Snape, they may not have a need 
to go in hiding in the first place and no need to come up with Secret 
Keeper, etc, no?
 
Toonmili:
> I think Snape's life is enough of a tragedy.

Alla:

Not nearly enough for me yet. I think the life circumstances of the 
boy he helped 
to become an orphan is a tragedy,which this boy may beat or not, I 
think young couple who would have 
a chance to beat the odds and live and enjoy life without him and did 
not is a tragedy, I think the death of Dumbledore is a tragedy.

Snape's life so far? For the most part as far as I think he was 
enjoying nice quiet life as Hogwarts professor, yeah, yeah, I know, 
he may not have liked teaching "brats". I think beats Azkaban any 
time.

Maybe now when he is despised by WW, maybe he will have some well 
overdue tragedy in his life IMO.

I hope Snape will get what he deserves, depends on whatever Snape we 
see.