Justice to Snape WAS: Re: Werewolves? There Wolves!

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No: HPFGUIDX 170563

> wynnleaf
> Well, of course, it *all* depends on whether he's good or evil, 
> right?  
> 
> If he's ESE!Snape, it's hardly a question, because Harry probably 
> won't forgive him and he'll get punished right along with Bella and 
> the rest.  I don't think JKR is going to have Harry have to forgive 
> ESE!Snape, when he won't have to forgive Bella, Voldemort and the 
> rest.

Alla:

Sure - if he is ESE till the end, which even I do not think will be 
true, then it is hardly a question. If Evil Snape sees a light at the 
end, I can totally see Harry forgiving him at the end though.


wynnleaf:
> If Snape is just a nasty, evil guy, but was always serving 
> Dumbledore (maybe for his own ends), then I can understand wanting 
> to see him get some extra punishment.  After all, if he's a nasty 
> evil meany, then even if he's serving the Order, he must be having 
a 
> great time over with Voldemort's crowd, where he can kill and 
> torture people to his heart's content, right?  And he doesn't 
*care* 
> about being a pariah to the good side, because he hates them all 
> anyway.  And all that part about him risking his life spying -- 
> well, it doesn't matter much because his life wasn't worth living 
> anyway, so what does it matter?  What he really needs is some good 
> old fashion punishment, so all the good guys can feel better about 
> the classroom sarcasm and insults.  
> 
> Right.  Hm...
> 
> I have to admit, even with the above scenario, I'm not sure what 
> Harry's forgiveness is worth, to himself or Snape, if Harry still 
> needs to have retribution, or some sort of punishment for Snape 
> *after* he's forgiven Snape.
<SNIP>


Alla:

Well, yes, I see that likely? I think some sort of OFH! LID! or Grey! 
Snape scenario is very likely to play out with Harry forgiveness and 
to be compelling.

And I think if JKR chooses to give Snape some punishment that will be 
before, NOT after Harry forgives him.

And yes, I think emotional satisfaction of the reader is a good 
enough reason to wish evil character to be punished ( or grey, 
whatever it is).


Him risking his life spying - well, sure it will matter for me as I 
wrote to Pippin if he did just that. But so far even the wording that 
we have from Dumbledore, does not really say that IMO.

It says *at great personal risk*. Can  for example mean Snape was 
risking being exposed as evil spy of Voldemort too, no?
 But wording is just the words play, my thing is that Snape may have 
deceived DD, yes.


wynnleaf:
> Okay.  Now, let's suppose that Dumbledore was right all along and 
> JKR reveals Snape to be *actually* very remorseful for the Potter's 
> deaths.  <SNIP> Do we still need punishment for Snape now?  I don't 
think so.  If 
> this is the Snape JKR will reveal (and I think the signs are that 
it 
> will be), Snape is already a figure of great remorse and lots of 
> sacrifice.   
> 

Alla:

30 days and we will know :)