Snape's the Rescuer - Really?/Justice to Snape

[Dana]

No: HPFGUIDX 170779

colebiancardi:
> But DOES Snape really know? Did he really HEAR Lupin tell Harry 
> this? We don't know for sure.  There is nothing that proves it, one 
> way or the other.
<snip>

Dana: 
Yes, he does because it is the reason that Lupin comes to the 
conclusion that he was to cowardly to tell DD about Sirius being an 
animagus. Lupin starts telling his story about how he came to 
Hogwarts and how his friends became animagi after he first was 
interrupted by the loud creak and the door opening by itself (PoA pg 
258 UKed PB "chapter Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs"). That is 
when Snape entered the scene. He hears about their nicknames, about 
them becoming animagi, about them roaming the grounds, even about 
them making the map. 

Yes, he hears the entire very long story Lupin was telling, without 
ever rushing in and taking the kids who are supposedly in grave 
danger from a murderous lunatic and his accomplice, who was 
supposidly was about to transform without taking his potion. 

colebiancardi:
> Snape does have a choice.  Everybody has choices.  The reasons 
> behind the choices differ.  Why on earth would he leave 3 students, 
> one with a broken leg and another almost soul-sucked, out there on 
> the grounds? Where has Snape EVER endangered students before?  He 
> has never put a student's life in danger - ever.  

Dana:
Well I do not think you want me to go into that really and so I will 
just refer to my previous posts and we just shall to have to agree to 
disagree on that one.

colebiancardi:
> of course.  No one is denying any lost love between Black & Snape. 
> And the WHOLE wizarding world believed Sirius to be dangerous - and
> Snape knew, as did Dumbledore, that Sirius was the LAST known
> secret-keeper for the Potters. 
<snip> 

Dana:
Yes, but the whole wizarding world did not listen in on the 
conversation for more then 10 minutes and did not see how even after 
Sirius had chances enough to kill Harry ten times over, still did 
not. We never see Snape make a point of Sirius being the last known 
secret-keeper but we do see him make a point of Sirius trying to kill 
him when Sirius was 16. 

Besides what is it to Snape if Sirius did or did not betray the 
Potters? Oh yes, right because now LV could act on the information 
Snape brought him. Mhhh how ironic isn't it. 

colebiancardi:
> and that is Snape's fault?  Hello - Peter Pettigrew, the ONLY proof
> they had, escaped - and not on Snape's watch.  Snape was out cold at
> that time.  Lupin, who HAD been reminded in front of the Trio & 
> Sirius by Snape about his missed potion, turned into a werewolf 
> once they got outside.  How is that Snape's fault?  Why would Snape 
> believe the Trio?  Even the Trio had issues with it until they saw 
> Scabbers transform into Peter.  PoA is not Snape's shining moment - 
> he is a tad one-sided and not open to listening to Lupin - I won't 
> get into Sirius, as there is no way those two will ever listen to 
> one another. And as another member pointed out, in GoF, Snape is 
> taken aback when the black dog transforms into Sirius in the 
> hospital wing.  
<snip>
> This passage, to me at least, proves that Snape was not aware that
> Sirius was an animagi.  If he had known that Sirius was one, why
> didn't he remark on the Sirius's animagi form when the dog came into
> the hospital wing in the first place - why wait until AFTER he
> transformed?
<snip>


Dana:
Yes, but the most interesting part in GoF happened before Snape saw 
Sirius transform from a big black dog back into his human self. And 
that is Barty Crouch Jr. telling DD (with Snape being present) that 
he and Wormtail helped LV back to power. And yes, by that time Snape 
already knew Peter's nickname (if he didn't already know from there 
school days) because he heard Lupin tell HRH in the shack. 

It proves nothing that Snape was taken aback when he saw Sirius; it 
only proves that Snape did not know Sirius's animagus form because he 
never saw it before and that he had not expected him there.  
Barty confirming that Peter was indeed alive proved Sirius was indeed 
innocent but another chance of him being proven innocent went by when 
Barty's soul was sucked out. And who went to fetch Fudge and allowed 
Fudge to bring his Dementor into the castle while DD would never 
approve? Oh yes, I remember it was Snape. And he merely told Fudge 
that they caught the Death Eater responsible for that nights events 
and as I remember correctly wasn't Sirius Black the only believed 
Death Eater Fudge was after? Coincidence? You decide but it will 
probably will be the story of Snape's life - he could never have 
foreseen right? and this while just a year before he not only wanted 
it being done to an innocent man but he witnessed the Dementors 
almost trying to kiss Harry. 

colebiancardi:
> And this passage goes to show that Sirius & Snape never will or ?
> never had cared for one another.  To say that Snape treated Sirius 
> unfairly without stating that Sirius treated Snape unfairly is not 
> being honest about their relationship.  Both of them are gits when 
> it comes to each other and it seems that all they do is try to 
> score points off of each other.  To see who will come out on top.  
<snip>

Dana:
Well the interesting thing is that there is a big difference between 
caring and behaving in a morally appropriate way. Snape did not have 
to embrace Sirius like a brother but trying to persuade everyone that 
Sirius needs to be soul sucked because it is the only appropriate 
thing to do. While Snape's behavior, in the shack, never points out 
that he truly believes that Sirius is that much of a danger to anyone 
as he takes his mighty time to actually act. If Sirius truly had been 
out there to kill Harry then Harry would have been death before Snape 
ever had reached the shack because Snape never sees Sirius, Harry, 
Hermione and Ron go into the tunnel. He only followed Lupin. Sirius 
did not wait for Lupin when he supposedly killed Peter and 12 muggles 
with one spell so what would be stopping him to kill three kids? 

Sirius is not toying with Snape's life while Snape is with his. 
Sirius does not bump Snape's head against the ceiling he is just 
doing nothing to prevent it. Sirius and Lupin do not leave Snape in 
the shack while they pretty much could have. But Snape is suddenly 
more caring because he brings Sirius in on a strecher. Lupin even 
checks on Snape to see if he is okay and we never see anything of the 
sort with Snape he just puts every one on a strecher and that's it. 
He never once asks Madame Promfrey how Ron is doing because he is to 
busy making everybody shut up. Sirius on the other hand while he 
should be rushing off still asks. 

JMHO

Dana