Snape's the Rescuer - Really?/Justice to Snape

[colebiancardi]

No: HPFGUIDX 170782

 
> colebiancardi:
> > But DOES Snape really know? Did he really HEAR Lupin tell Harry 
> > this? We don't know for sure.  There is nothing that proves it, one 
> > way or the other.
> <snip>
> 
> Dana: 
> Yes, he does because it is the reason that Lupin comes to the 
> conclusion that he was to cowardly to tell DD about Sirius being an 
> animagus. Lupin starts telling his story about how he came to 
> Hogwarts and how his friends became animagi after he first was 
> interrupted by the loud creak and the door opening by itself (PoA pg 
> 258 UKed PB "chapter Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs"). That is 
> when Snape entered the scene. He hears about their nicknames, about 
> them becoming animagi, about them roaming the grounds, even about 
> them making the map. 

colebiancardi:

Well, you say it is 10 minutes...ok.  But in those passages, Lupin
just talks about his school days as a werewolf and how James, Peter &
Sirius became Animagi for him.  It doesn't reveal the secret keeper
twist and it doesn't speak to the Potter's demise.  There is nothing
in that conversation that would be telling of Sirius's innocence.  In
fact, even Lupin states that he convinced himself "that Sirius was
getting into the school using dark arts he learned from Voldemort,
that being an Animagus had nothing to do with...so, in a way, Snape's
been right about me all along"  Lupin also confirms the belief that
Snape has a solid reason for holding a grudge against Lupin all year
long "He has been telling Dumbledore all year that I am not to be
trusted.  He has his reasons...you see, Sirius here played a trick on
him which nearly killed him, a trick which involved me"  to which
Sirius replies with a sneer - "It served him right" from PoA, Am Ed
Hardcover, p 356

now, this is what Snape hears.  Nothing more.  After he is knocked
out, even Harry tells Lupin "I'm still not saying I believe you" to
then proof that Scabbers is Peter is revealed.  Snape doesn't see
this.  But the fact is that Harry didn't believe Lupin or Sirius UNTIL
that moment was revealed.  

As far as Sirius not hurting or killing the Trio - what about Ron's
leg, which is broken, thanks to Sirius?  What about the fight between
Sirius & Harry, before Lupin arrives, in which Sirius proceeds to
choke Harry?  Also, Harry had his wand - it was a standoff between them.  

We were all operating under the impression that Sirius was the
murderer at this point.  


 
> colebiancardi:
> > of course.  No one is denying any lost love between Black & Snape. 
> > And the WHOLE wizarding world believed Sirius to be dangerous - and
> > Snape knew, as did Dumbledore, that Sirius was the LAST known
> > secret-keeper for the Potters. 
> <snip> 
> 
> Dana:
> Yes, but the whole wizarding world did not listen in on the 
> conversation for more then 10 minutes and did not see how even after 
> Sirius had chances enough to kill Harry ten times over, still did 
> not. We never see Snape make a point of Sirius being the last known 
> secret-keeper but we do see him make a point of Sirius trying to kill 
> him when Sirius was 16. 

colebiancardi:

again, Snape never hears about the secret keeper or anything of that
nature.  Again, Sirius did harm Ron & did choke Harry.  

 
> Dana:
> Well the interesting thing is that there is a big difference between 
> caring and behaving in a morally appropriate way. Snape did not have 
> to embrace Sirius like a brother but trying to persuade everyone that 
> Sirius needs to be soul sucked because it is the only appropriate 
> thing to do.  

colebiancardi:
Like I stated before, Sirius & Snape's relationship will *never* be
friendly or even respectful.  They both loathe each other - look at
the scene in OotP with Harry - Harry has to put himself in between the
two to stop them from fighting.  Old grudges - again, I find it ironic
that Sirius's behavior is brushed over and Snape's is not.  I am not
excusing either of them - they both act badly towards each other.  I
do hope that Sirius has reasons outside of the prank,(Regulus, IMHO),
but we know Snape's - the prank which almost killed him(everyone
agrees on this in canon) and that Sirius was the secret keeper who
gave up the Potters (up to this point, this is what everyone believed,
even Sirius's friend, Lupin).   If the only reasons why Sirius hates
Snape is because he exists or some such nonsense, then Sirius's
behavior is worse, IMHO


> Dana: He never once asks Madame Promfrey how Ron is doing because he
is to 
> busy making everybody shut up. Sirius on the other hand while he 
> should be rushing off still asks. 
> 

colebiancardi:

well, maybe Snape didn't *need* to ask, because he can see for himself
- he was allowed in the hospital wing.  Sirius never sees Ron again in
PoA, so he has to ask.

colebiancardi.