Question about the prophecy and a thought about Ginny

[lizzyben04]

No: HPFGUIDX 171004

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "sneeboy2" <sneeboy2 at ...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "mjanetd" <mjanetd@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm a little confused about what Snape heard of the prophecy.
> > Professor Trelawny remembers seeing Snape but she doesn't 
remember
> > giving the prophecy.  I assume this means she had to see him 
after she
> > came out of her trance.  So how could Snape only hear the first 
half of
> > the prophecy if he's there at the end?  Did Trelawny give the 
prophecy
> > in 2 parts with Snape's interruption in the middle? Or did the 
barkeep
> > distract Snape so that he only heard part of it?

lizzyben:

Snape heard the entire prophecy; he only reported part of it to 
Voldemort. And he did this w/DD's full approval. In DD's pensieve, 
Trelawney gives the entire prophecy w/o interruption. Trelawney 
isn't aware of her surroundings when she prophecies - therefore, if 
she heard a scuffle & then saw Snape at the door, this occured 
*after* the prophecy was already given. While it's possible that 
Snape missed the last part, it's most likely that he heard the whole 
thing. 

Now, DD has an independent witness to the prophecy of VD's defeat - 
Snape, a Slytherin, a guy who was "up to his ears" in the Dark Arts 
as a student. Even if DD didn't know Snape was a Death Eater, he 
should know that it was possible that Snape had connections with
VD supporters. And he was most likely listening at the door. If he 
wanted to keep the prophecy a secret, DD should have used a memory 
charm to remove Snape's memory of the prophecy. DD certainly was 
willing to use a memory charm against Marietta Edgecomb, when the 
consequences of her memory were much less dire. Plus, DD is a gifted 
Legimens, & should have been able to acertain Snape's intentions. 
But DD lets Snape go free, & lets Snape report the first half of the 
prophecy to VD.

The circumstances of that prophecy are so sketchy - everyone in that 
room had a personal connection to DD. It's almost like the whole 
thing was set up by DD. DD made sure that Snape would be able to 
report the first half to VD (though I'm not sure if Snape knew 
DD's intentions, or was simply working on VD's behalf.) But I'm 
certain that DD deliberately leaked the prophecy to VD for reasons 
of his own. DD knew that the prophecy could be a "weapon"; not 
because of its intrinsic value, but because he knew how it would 
affect VD. 

VD is obsessed w/having immortality & avoiding death - 
therefore, any prophecy of his own death & defeat would be 
terrifying to him. DD knew that VD would become obsessed 
w/preventing the prophecy, and it would distract him from the random 
massacres he'd been doing thus far. And it worked - VD drops his 
other efforts, and focuses on the prophecy instead. DD used the same 
scheme in OOTP, when he basically uses the prophecy to lure VD to 
the MOM. VD again falls for it, because he is obsessed w/hearing the 
second half of the prophecy. It becomes a very valuable weapon, 
because it allows DD to predict, & to some extent control, VD's 
actions. 

lizzyben04