Question about the prophecy and a thought about Ginny
Andrew Snee
sneeboy2 at yahoo.com
Sat Jun 30 02:36:21 UTC 2007
No: HPFGUIDX 171020
lizzyben:
Snape heard the entire prophecy; he only reported part of it
to Voldemort. And he did this w/DD's full approval. In DD's
pensieve, Trelawney gives the entire prophecy w/o interruption.
Trelawney isn't aware of her surroundings when she prophecies -
therefore, if she heard a scuffle & then saw Snape at the door,
this occured *after* the prophecy was already given. While it's
possible that Snape missed the last part, it's most likely that
he heard the whole thing.
<SNIP>
The circumstances of that prophecy are so sketchy - everyone in
that room had a personal connection to DD. It's almost like the
whole thing was set up by DD. DD made sure that Snape would be
able to report the first half to VD (though I'm not sure if
Snape knew DD's intentions, or was simply working on VD's
behalf.)
<SNIP>
Sneeboy2:
The main problem with the "all part of DD's plan" theory (above)
is that if DD is behind the prophecy being leaked to LV, then he
is even more responsible than Snape for the death of Lily and
James. And he would have done it as part of a coldly calculated
plan, not a bitter, misguided act. It would also means that DD
told Harry several lies, not just about the night of the prophecy,
but about Snape's remorse. And he doesn't so much care about Harry
as value him as a weapon against LV. I just don't think JKR is
going to have dear departed DD turn out to be a cold-hearted
"general" willing to sacrifce the troops in the fight against
LV.
The pensieve memory ends at the end of the prophecy. Trelawny's
account of Snape's capture begins after she's recited the
prophecy and come out of the trance. The two don't overlap.
When she says they were "interrupted," she means the interview,
not the prophecy. There's no actual contradiction of what DD
said to Harry; just a seeming inconsistency. Keep in mind that
DD had no way of knowing at the time how much Snape heard.
(Occlumency is Snape's strong point.) So he only found out
later, when Snape came over the good side and confessed
everything, exactly how much Snape heard.
The simplest explanation for the inconsistency is that when
the barman caught Snape, Snape tried to get away and missed
the second part of the prophecy. After he was was caught,
the barman brought him to DD, who let him go. Snape was 's
a former Hogwarts student, and he offered an excuse, which
DD accepted. He does trust people. He also doesn't place
much stake in prophecies, many of which go unfulfilled.
And there's no indication that he knew Snape was a Death
Eater at the time. It was in some sense a mistake for DD
to let Snape go -- plenty of instances in canon of DD
making mistakes; none of him lying -- but ironically his
mistake ended up bringing down LV. Or perhaps better to
say that LV brought himself down.
Sneeboy2
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