Question about the prophecy and a thought about Ginny

Andrew Snee sneeboy2 at yahoo.com
Sat Jun 30 02:36:21 UTC 2007


No: HPFGUIDX 171020

lizzyben:

Snape heard the entire prophecy; he only reported part of it 
to Voldemort. And he did this w/DD's full approval. In DD's 
pensieve, Trelawney gives the entire prophecy w/o interruption. 
Trelawney isn't aware of her surroundings when she prophecies - 
therefore, if she heard a scuffle & then saw Snape at the door, 
this occured *after* the prophecy was already given. While it's 
possible that Snape missed the last part, it's most likely that 
he heard the whole thing.
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The circumstances of that prophecy are so sketchy - everyone in 
that room had a personal connection to DD. It's almost like the 
whole thing was set up by DD. DD made sure that Snape would be 
able to report the first half to VD (though I'm not sure if 
Snape knew DD's intentions, or was simply working on VD's 
behalf.)
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Sneeboy2:

The main problem with the "all part of DD's plan" theory (above) 
is that if DD is behind the prophecy being leaked to LV, then he 
is even more responsible than Snape for the death of Lily and 
James. And he would have done it as part of a coldly calculated 
plan, not a bitter, misguided act. It would also means that DD 
told Harry several lies, not just about the night of the prophecy, 
but about Snape's remorse. And he doesn't so much care about Harry 
as value him as a weapon against LV. I just don't think JKR is 
going to have dear departed DD turn out to be a cold-hearted 
"general" willing to sacrifce the troops in the fight against 
LV. 

The pensieve memory ends at the end of the prophecy. Trelawny's 
account of Snape's capture begins after she's recited the 
prophecy and come out of the trance. The two don't overlap. 
When she says they were "interrupted," she means the interview, 
not the prophecy. There's no actual contradiction of what DD 
said to Harry; just a seeming inconsistency. Keep in mind that 
DD had no way of knowing at the time how much Snape heard. 
(Occlumency is Snape's strong point.) So he only found out 
later, when Snape came over the good side and confessed 
everything, exactly how much Snape heard. 

The simplest explanation for the inconsistency is that when 
the barman caught Snape, Snape tried to get away and missed 
the second part of the prophecy. After he was was caught, 
the barman brought him to DD, who let him go. Snape was 's 
a former Hogwarts student, and he offered an excuse, which 
DD accepted. He does trust people. He also doesn't place 
much stake in prophecies, many of which go unfulfilled. 
And there's no indication that he knew Snape was a Death 
Eater at the time. It was in some sense a mistake for DD 
to let Snape go -- plenty of instances in canon of DD 
making mistakes; none of him lying -- but ironically his 
mistake ended up bringing down LV. Or perhaps better to 
say that LV brought himself down. 

Sneeboy2




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