Harry's dreams in GoF

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 165624

Carol earlier:
> >> I'm re-re-re-re-reading GoF, and I'm curious about what other
> posters think of the point of view in the two dream chapters. In
OoP, when Harry's dreaming or hallucinating, he always sees from
Voldemort's pov (or Nagini's, when LV is possessing her). <<
> >> <snip>
> >> But in GoF, the first dream is from the pov of an unknown Muggle,
Frank Bryce, who dies at the end of the dream, not from Voldemort's
pov. <snip>
> 
Dondee responded:
> We are dealing with two perspectives here, Frank's real time
experiences and Harry's dream. We don't know when Harry started
dreaming or, more to the point, where he started dreaming. I think
that Harry's dream started in the room with LV and Wormtail and then
they were joined by Nagini and shortly after by Frank. Harry doesn't
know Frank is there until LV does IMO, but we, the readers, are
introduced to him and the story about the Riddles beforehand.

Carol again:
Yes, I understand what JKR is doing in terms of narrative technique in
 "The Riddle House" (a shift from third-person dramatic to
third-person limited omniscient, with a pov character other than
Harry. The white space in mid-chapter marks the shift in narrative
strategy). But my question is, why, if the mind link is to Voldemort,
would *Harry* see from Frank Bryce's pov--or from his own in the
second dream, when he's not even there? Why not from Voldemort's pov,
as he does in OoP? (And what do you mane by "where he started
dreaming"? He's in bed at home in 4 Privet Drive.) 

I think it's *interesting* for the *reader* to see from Frank's pov,
as it is to see from the Muggle Prime Minister's in "The Other
Minister," but how can *Harry* see into the mind of a Muggle who dies,
a Muggle whose mind LV has not entered and whose presence LV is not
even aware of until Nagini tells him that there's an old Muggle on the
stairs. 
> 
Carol earlier:
> > In the second dream, Harry is riding on the back of the eagle owl
that Fake!Moody has sent to inform Voldemort that he's murdered his
father, Mr. Crouch. <snip>
> 
Dondee responded:
> This one is harder to explain away. Here is my admittedly flimsy
reasoning... Harry is in Trelawney's room - a place predisposed to
psychic phenomina (however questionable)and full of whatever the heck
is in those perfumed fumes. He is overtired and preoccupied from the
whole Crouch thing, he falls asleep. Could it be that due to his
preoccuped thoughts and psychic vulnerability due to lack of sleep and
the fumes that he sort of astral projects? He is preoccupied with
Crouch, LV is preoccupied with Crouch, the eagle [owl] is sending word
about Crouch. Is the part of Harry's mind thats tuned into LV zooming
to where LV is along side, or astride, the eagle [owl] thats zooming
along to LV with an important message? <snip>

Carol again:
I agree that the dream is partially induced by the fumes in
Trelawney's classroom and Harry's state of mind (we learn in OoP that
he needs to empty his mind to block the dream of the corridor in the
MoM), but that doesn't explain Harry's perspective. LV is not
possessing Harry, and he's not riding on the eagle owl's back; he's
sitting in the chair that the owl plops into to deliver the message.
Harry, of course, is not there at all--he's in Trelawney's classroom,
yet he's seeing from his own perspective, not Voldemort's.

Why is Harry, who is linked by the scar to Voldemort's thoughts and
emotions, not seeing from LV's point of view as he does in OoP? 
Logically, he should see the eagle owl arrive and read the message as
LV reads it. He should be in Voldemort's mind, not his own (or Frank
Bryce's in the earlier dream).

Carol, hoping that she's not the only one interested in or bothered by
such violations of narrative logic