The Eagle Owl/Re: Harry's dreams in GoF

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 165701

Shaunette wrote:
> 
> > I do remember wondering about that owl and that strange POV,
too... however, I also remember Harry looking down on a pair of white,
long-fingered hands resting on an armchair, his own hands (in the
dream), something happens with Wormtail... then Harry looks into a
dirty old mirror across the room into a flat, snakelike face with
gleaming red eyes...that's when  he woke up in a cold sweat, isn't it?
> 
houyhnhnm replie:
> 
> <snip> Harry's scar began to prickle and his head hurt.  He went to
bed and fell asleep.  Then
> 
> **********************
> He was standing in a dark curtained room lit by a single branch of
candles.  His hands were clenched on the back of the chair infront of
him.  They were long-fingered and white as if they had not seen
sunlight for years and looked like large, pale spiders against the
dark velvet of the chair.
> **********************
> 
> Voldemort is interrogating Rookwood.  Harry not only sees from
Voldemort's prespective, he *is* Voldemort.
<snip>
> OotP, Scholastic paperback, pp.584-586

Caol responds:
Which goes back to my original point. The dreams and visions in *OoP*
are from Voldemort's perspective, except for the fake vision that LV
implants in Harry's brain (a clue that it's not real, Harry?). Even
when Harry sees from Nagini's perspective, it's because Voldemort is
possessing the snake. So, as you say, harry *is* Voldemort in those
dreams. It's the two dreams in *GoF* that are experienced by the
reader, and presumably by Harry, from points of view other than
Voldemort's.

In the owl dream, Harry sees from his own perspective, not
Voldemort's, even though he isn't really there. Nor can Voldemort be
focusing on the owl, which he doesn't know is flying toward him. He's
focusing on punishing Wormtail. In the Frank Bryce dream, the narrator
shifts from a third-person dramatic perspective to Frank Bryce's pov
(signalled by white space between the two perspectives). True, we
don't know when the dream begins, but Harry has to be seeing from
Frank's perspective, not Voldemort's, because he isn't present in the
dream and it ends when Frank dies. Most likely, Harry sees what Frank
sees at the end, Fetal!mort sitting in a chair and sending an AK at
him. But when he wakes up, he can't remember the dream, perhaps
because it wasn't from his own pov, perhaps because it was so shocking.

But my point is, and remains, that the logical perspective for these
dreams would be Voldemort's, the perspective used in OoP, which fits
with the mind link. How could Harry see from the point of view of an
unknown Muggle? How could he be riding, in his imagination, on the
back of an owl?

Maybe, as someone suggested, these dreams are a transition between the
jumbled dreams he's had earlier, of, say, Quirrell's turban telling
him that he should be in Slytherin and Draco's face changing to
Snape's, and the Voldie-view dreams of OoP. And yet, he's still having
the old, jumbled dreams, for example, Ron and Hermione wearing crowns
in OoP. And the dreams in GoF, like the Voldie dreams in OoP, are
visions of real events occurring at that moment, products of the
mind-link forged by the scar. Logically, they, too, ought to be from
Voldie's point of view.

Carol, hoping that anyone who wants to respond to this thread will go
upthread to the original post before doing so