On the trivial and the profound.

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No: HPFGUIDX 165707

 
>Bart Lidofsky <bartl at ...> wrote:

>  There is one major piece of information
> which I have yet to hear  ANY
> ESE!Snape explanation for:
> Why did Snape tip off the OOP  about
> the raid on the Ministry

>Eggplant
>Voldemort's plan was to trick Harry to go to the  ministry, but when
Snape showed up Harry was already caught by Umbrage so  Snape figured
the plan had failed, it never occurred to him that Harry would  manage
to escape and make it all the way to the ministry. With the  plan
canceled anyway it couldn't hurt to tell the Order of the  Phoenix
what Harry said, in fact he had to if he wanted to remain a spy  for
Voldemort. Ron, Hermione, Neville, Luna and about a dozen other  people
heard Harry talk to Snape about Padfoot, and sooner or later the  Order
would hear about it and wonder why Snape didn't tell them  immediately.


>Jeremiah:

>Well...what  would Snape gain by not tipping off the Order? Harry's death?
Voldemort  hearing a prophesy that may or may not bring him to power... or
his downfall?  DD's respect?
<snip>
   

>Bart asked: 
> And why didn't he tip off the  DE's that Harry wasn't coming?
> 
>Carol responds:
I think you're  forgetting the mind link. Voldemort knew that Harry was
coming. To tell the  DEs that he wasn't would be an easily detectable,
easily traceable lie, and  fatal to Snape. Better to let the DEs come
and send the Order after them.  And, of course, Snape knew that
Dumbledore was going to 12 GP, and had told  Sirius Black to stay
behind and inform him of the situation. So Snape  "slithers out of
action" again, not joining the DEs on the pretense that he  was ordered
not to do so (he would tell LV that he didn't want to blow his  cover).
Besides, if he'd told the DEs that Harry wasn't coming, they  wouldn't
have been arrested.

>Carol, thinking that it's a very good  thing for Snape that Narcissa
and Bella don't know who tipped off the Order  of the Phoenix and
wondering if Voldie suspects



Nikkalmati
 
Eggplant seems to assume LV man Snape would know about  the plan at the 
Ministry.  Maybe, maybe not.  In any case, Snape never  warned the DEs that Harry 
wasn't going to make it, which he should have done, if  he was LV man.  We have 
seen the mind link lets LV send Harry dreams and  visions, but not that it is 
used to locate Harry.  (I think when DD is  around Harry his presence is so 
strong LV has to detect it, thus, Harry's desire  to strike at DD in the 
meeting in DD's office).  When Snape left  Umbridge's office, he contacted Sirius to 
find out if he was all right (what do  you suppose he said "hey, I was 
worried about you, man"? <eg>) and then  discovered Harry and Hermione and Umbridge 
had gone into the forest.   Presumably, Ron, Ginny. Luna, and Neville had 
already escaped from the office  when he got back there, because they never 
mention seeing him.   Snape must have spent some time patching up and dehexing the 
IS.   He then  went into the forest to look for the missing  students.  Only 
after he could not find them, did he conclude Harry was  trying to get to the 
Ministry and might actually make it.  He warned the  Order and DD, wherever DD 
was in hiding, or he contacted DD and DD called in the  Order.  (Interesting 
that Snape apparently knew how to get a hold of DD.  Guess DD must have trusted 
him <g>). In this view SS called in the Order  to save Harry.
 
  If LV man Snape figured the whole plan was a  bust, he probably would not 
have contacted Sirius (after all, he knew where  Sirius was) and he at most 
would have told the Order something like "Harry  thinks Sirius is at the 
ministry, but don't worry it isn't true and Harry can't  get there anyway." Once it 
became clear Harry was gone, why not let the plan  play out?  With Harry 
captured or dead LV was a very big step ahead and he  could have claimed ignorance of 
who Padfoot was or where was "the place where it  is kept" or that Harry 
could get away from Umbridge.  If Snape is LV man,  and he alerted the Order 
hoping the DEs would have left with the prophecy and  Harry before the Order got 
there, he s***ed up big time.
 
 Nikkalmati

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