[HPforGrownups] Re: CHAPDISC: HBP30, The White Tomb

[Magpie]

No: HPFGUIDX 165717


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From: "a_svirn" <a_svirn at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 7:40 PM
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: CHAPDISC: HBP30, The White Tomb


> > 14. There is something odd about the way Ginny accepts Harry's
> > decision, while Ron and Hermione refuse to do so. Even stranger,
> > Harry does not really attempt to talk them out of sharing his
> > destiny. (And still more strange seems his surprise at Ron and
> > Hermione's reaction.) Does it mean that for Harry (and even for
> > Rowling) friendship is something infinitely more important than
> love?
> > Even so, Ginny is not just a girlfriend; she is a friend as well.
>
> Alla:
>
> Hmmm, I would say that JKR certainly writes friendships much better
> than she writes romance (see trio friendship as example and
romances
> in book 6 as examples as well, and I **do** love Harry/Ginny, but
> was not happy as it was written).

a_svirn:
Yes, but that's not the problem. Some authors don't do love stuff
well. I am OK with that. Austen, for one, is notorious for dismissing
all that love nonsense with something like:  "and he expressed
himself on the occasion as sensibly and as warmly as a man violently
in love can be supposed to do," and heading straight to the epilogue.
What I find strange is the way Ginny is always excluded from Harry's
immediate circle. He grew up with her as much as he grew up with Ron
and Hermione; she has always stood by him; she is loyal to the right
cause; she is one of the most prominent members of DA; she is
certainly one his nearest and dearest, and yet she is always left out
of everything that is really important. Why wasn't she told about the
Prophesy? Why wasn't she told about horcruxes?


Magpie:
Doesn't that just indicate that she isn't one of his nearest and dearest? I 
mean...she's not. She's never been at the level of Ron and Hermione. In OotP 
Harry meets the "real" Ginny for the first time, seeing the personality he's 
never seen before. He's spent time at her house, but the Twins are there too 
and he's not as close to them as he is to Ron and Hermione either. They're 
in the DA too. Neville goes to the MoM too. The Trio is still the Trio.

In HBP, although Harry's lived in the same dorm and house with Ginny for 
years, he can still basically start dating her as any girl in his class. 
She's not as foreign as Cho, but he hasn't been hanging out with her at 
school. She's a friend, but she's not Ron or Hermione, who are on a 
completely different level.

I don't think it's odd that the Trio is still a Trio and doesn't become a 
foursome. Perhaps in some part because Ginny hasn't really been created to 
fulfill that kind of role. It would be like suddenly having the Twins always 
be part of the innermost inner circle with Harry instead of where they are, 
people who are sometimes important but not in the Trio. Their dynamic would 
totally go off-kilter with the constant addition of Ginny, as all groups do 
when another person is added.

-m