[HPforGrownups] Re: CHAPDISC: HBP30, The White Tomb

[Magpie]

No: HPFGUIDX 165724

> Magpie:
> Doesn't that just indicate that she isn't one of his nearest and
dearest? I
> mean...she's not. She's never been at the level of Ron and
Hermione. <snip>

a_svirn:
Well, she is not, and yet, she is. She's not like the twins who have
the circle of their own, and very exclusive one at that. Since OOP
Ginny is one of the closest persons to Harry. And in HBP he falls in
love in her. Well. Why not make a Quartet out of the Trio? It is as
though she is not good enough somehow...

Magpie:
She's good enough as a person (too good, imo), but as a character I don't 
think she's been made to be a major player. Almost everything she does in 
OotP and HBP is showing how she's the perfect girl--which is fine for 
Harry's life, and presumably they'll get married and have kids in the 
prologue--as you said, her life is sort of about Harry. But I don't see any 
reason to change the core Trio for it.

> Magpie:
> I don't think it's odd that the Trio is still a Trio and doesn't
become a
> foursome. Perhaps in some part because Ginny hasn't really been
created to
> fulfill that kind of role.

a_svirn:
Obviously, she wasn't. But it is not clear why.

Magpie:
Hmm. I guess that's hard to say. She wasn't, so she wasn't? It seems like 
JKR created her Trio to be Harry and his friends and nobody else was made to 
do that. There are other characters who might have been created to be the 
fourth member of the Trio and weren't either.

> Magpie:
It would be like suddenly having the Twins always
> be part of the innermost inner circle with Harry instead of where
they are,
> people who are sometimes important but not in the Trio. Their
dynamic would
> totally go off-kilter with the constant addition of Ginny, as all
groups do
> when another person is added.

a_svirn:
As I said, Ginny is not like the twins. She does not have a circle of
her own. Even her boyfriends were means to the end - to capture
Harry's attention. She is always part of the group that is centered
around Harry, but not quite close to the centre, as it were.

Magpie:
Yup, it seems like she was just created to be a love interest. She's always 
pretty much been there to be Harry's girlfriend and that's what her story 
has always been about when she had one. But in terms of dynamic I think she 
is a rather major force in scenes because of it.

-m