And in The End...CoS

[esmith222002]

No: HPFGUIDX 165762

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "cdayr" <cdayr at ...> wrote:

> 1. Dobby and the House Elves: Alright, not my favorite part of the 
> series, but bound to be important nonetheless. So, here is my 
> proposition
does anyone want to put forth a satisfying 
> prediction/theory as to how the house elves will be liberated and 
> help the Order in DH? 

Brothergib replies:

A lot of support for the theory that DH will end with a confrontation 
at Hogwarts. The House Elves are the only creatures who can apparate 
within Hogwarts which would make them extremely useful (providing the 
magical protection placed upon Hogwarts hasn't died with DD). An army 
of House Elves apparating around Hogwarts taking out Death Eaters - a 
bit too Star Wars perhaps!! As for their overall liberation, I'm not 
sure we'll see that come to pass!

Celia again
>In more CoS-related action, what is it about 
> Dobby that makes him so attached to Harry from the first 
> moment? Why would he be loyal to Harry or think anything 
> positive about Harry if his entire life was spent at the Malfoy's? 
> Could he have belonged to someone else in the past? Now that 
> we have seen a different house-elf being loyal (Kreacher), we 
> know how hard it is for a house elf to break its family rules. Why 
> is Dobby able to do it so successfully? How will he (inevitably) 
> help Harry in The End? What will free the house elves powerful 
> magic?
> 
Brothergib again;
I only have another question! How did Dobby come to Privet Drive in 
the first place? Surely the Malfoy's would never give him permission 
to leave the house! Then he consistently pops up at Hogwarts! I 
understand his loyalty to Harry, since house elves lives improved 
with the defeat of LV, but how can he get about so freely if he is 
enslaved - an oversight perhaps??

Celia;
> 2. How is it possible that Voldemort entrusted one of his 
> horcruxes (the diary) to Lucius Malfoy? Or did he? Where might 
> Lucius have found it? Do you think this is evidence that other 
> horcruxes (besides/in addition to the locket) may have been 
> moved from their original hiding places and protections? Would 
> Voldemort really have distributed some of them to his followers? 
> Who else might have one? Did Lucius have a clue about the true 
> nature of the diary when he gave it to Ginny? Does he know 
> about the horcruxes?

Brothergib;
I think JKR has answered this one. LV wanted the diary to be used at 
some future date to open the COS. As a school governor, Lucius was 
the obvious candidate to get the diary into the school when LV 
demanded. Unfortunately, Lucius acted on his own initiative after 
LV's defeat. Lucius knew it was a tool to open the COS, but had no 
idea it was a Horcrux.

Celia;
> 3. Was there a larger point to the entire Deathday party scene 
> besides a fun side-story about ghost culture for all of us? Will 
the 
> Headless Hunt, the ghosts, etc. get to play a real role in DH? 
> Might these long-dead spirits have some key info on Horcruxes 
> or any other subject for HRH?
> 
Brothergib;
IMO, this isn't important. Maybe Nick might provide some link to 
Sirius, but I doubt it.

Celia;
> 4. Do you think there is more than one secret in the Chamber of 
> "Secrets"? Will there be a return to the Chamber in The End, or 
> was it truly The Chamber of One Secret Basilisk?

Brothergib;
Again, there has been a lot of speculation about the Deathly Hallows 
pertaining to an underground graveyard for the founders. If this is 
the case, it is possible that it is linked to the COS. Could young 
Tom Riddle have created another Horcrux with some artefact of the 
Founders that was found in such a graveyard? Or maybe he wants to get 
back there to make his final Horcrux! It ties in with DD question to 
LV to state why he really wanted to return to Hogwarts ('Lord 
Voldemort's Request' - HBP). 

Celia;
> 5. The Dueling Club (on my list of top-ten favorite scenes in the 
> series, I believe it comes in at #5) contains that lovely moment 
> where it appears that Snape teaches Draco "Serpensortia" in 
> order to attack/test Harry. (Now I wonder if that is an HBP spell!) 
> What is Snape up to in this chapter? Why does he agree to be 
> there at all? Why does he set up Harry and Draco? Why does he 
> immediately offer to get rid of the snake for Harry? Why, Snape, 
> why?! Basically, do we get any ESE/DDM/OFH help from his 
> actions in this scene?

Brothergib;
It certainly seems the case that Snape wanted to test Harry with 
exposure to the serpent. My explanation was always that Snape 
wondered whether it was possible that Harry was opening the COS. He 
wanted to check whether Harry could speak Parseltongue. Whether Snape 
shared this info with DD is another matter! After this Snape was 
aware of Harry's LV-like powers, but still couldn't figure out how 
Harry could be used to open the COS.

> Celia;
> 6. The Homorphus Charm: Hope for Remus and Bill? 
Brothergib; Yes, but I think JKR has too many story arcs to deal with 
to worry about this.

> Celia;
> 7. An oldie, but a goodie. What do you think would have 
> happened if Riddle had escaped from the diary by stealing 
> Ginny's soul? Would he have been a second Voldemort, with a 
> far different soul, partially Ginny, partially himself? Has the 
> diary's destruction weakened Voldemort? Does Voldie know of 
> the destruction of the diary? 

Brothergib;
We are told that LV was furious when he found out what Lucius had 
done to the diary. In fact, Draco's role in HBP is seen by some as 
punishment for Lucius' actions. If Diary Tom had reformed, then 
presumably Vapormort could have 'fused' with this new body, and the 
old LV would have been effectively reborn. The destruction of the 
diary is another lost piece of soul - but DD suggests that such a 
loss would by no means weaken LV's magical ability.

> Celia;
> 8. Selfishly
I just posted it to no response, so I won't again, but 
> I'm always eager to discuss Aragog's origins and how I think 
> that will be key to The End. See post 106761 for my old theory 
> and 164920 for my most recent additions. I'll never give up!

Brothergib;
I think as a plot point Aragog has proven to be useful, but is of no 
further need.

> Celia;
> 9. Anyone want to venture a theory that any of these uniquely CoS 
> things will be important in The End?
> Colin Creevey
> Kwikspell
> The Flying Ford Anglia
> Gilderoy Lockhart
> Skele-Gro
> Justin Finch-Fletchley
> The Malfoy's Secret Chamber Under the Floor

Brothergib;
No theory to venture!!

> Celia;
> 10.    Okay we've been here way too much already, but it is in 
> CoS, so I must include it: 
> 
> "Voldemort put a bit of himself in *me*?" Harry said, 
> thunder-struck.
> "It certainly seems so."  (p.333, Am. PB ed.)
> 
> So, Horcrux or not a horcrux, that is the question


Brothergib;
DD states in OOTP that he was aware of LV's horcruxes when Harry 
handed him the diary. Therefore, he was thinking of horcruxes when he 
made this comment. IMO, this proves that DD suspected that Harry 
was/is a Horcrux. However, is this one of DD's mistakes? Or maybe LV 
reclaimed his soul piece when he was reborn in GOF (the reason for 
DD's look of triumph)! It also suggests that maybe LV wasn't trying 
to kill Harry, but use him. Might also explain why he tells Lily 
to 'stand aside you silly girl' i.e. i'm not going to kill him! I 
don't like the Harrycrux idea, but there is certainly strong canon 
evidence for it!!

One final point. JKR has stated that Harry was well protected until 
GOF. This would suggest that Harry was protected when he faced LV and 
the Basilisk in COS. Since DD is no longer in the castle, how does he 
know that Harry is in the COS? He must be tracking Harry somehow - I 
just can't think of the how? Can anyone think of any direct evidence 
of DD's covert spying operation concerning Harry?

Brothergib (interesting that LV never trusted Snape with the Diary. 
The one person with more access than Lucius).