CHAPDISC: HBP30, The White Tomb

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 165809

zgirnius wrote:
> Did Harry share his Pensieve memories of GoF with her and Ron? My 
> book is not in Florida with me. If he did, she knows something made 
> Dumbledore trust Snape before the Potters died.

Carol responds:
He tells them everything he saw except the part about the Longbottoms
being Crucio'd into insainity, which Dumbledore has asked him to keep
private for Neville's sake--another example of Dumbledore protecting
people's secrets, by the way (GoF Am. ed. 604 and 605). So, yes, she
does know that Snape became a spy for Dumbledore before Godric's
Hollow (though Harry may not have bothered to include the phrase "at
great personal risk). So *if* she has started to think things through,
she knows that Snape's remorse and return had to precede their deaths.
She also witnessed the confrontation in the Shrieking Shack, where
it's clear that Snape believed he was saving Harry from the murderer
and traitor who betrayed the Potters. She knows he saved Harry from
Quirrell in their first year, that he conjured the stretchers to get
them away from the werewolf and any stray Dementor in PoA, that he
showed his Dark Mark to Dudge to prove that Voldemort was back in PoA
and left on some dangerous mission for Dumbledore soon afterwards. She
must know that he sent the Order to rescue them from the Death Eaters
at the MoM (she heard Harry trying to communicate with him about
Padfoot). I'm not sure what she thinks of the Occlumency lessons, but
she knows that Harry wasn't trying very hard to learn it. And she's
seen Snape teach DADA, pointing out that his attitude toward it
resembles Harry's. She has mastered nonverbal spells, as we see in
Potions with Specialis Revelio, so I'm betting she's learned more from
Snape in DADA than Harry has (including that alternate method of
fighting Dementors, which may come in handy in DH). If she really
thinks about Snape and what she's seen him do (as opposed to his
sarcastic words and the cruel remark about her teeth), she may realize
that killing Dumbledore is out of character for him. (Even Ron, who
hates, Snape, didn't think him capable of murder.) And if Harry
describes that Avada Kedavra on the tower--Dumbledore's body going
over the battlements instead of falling backward instantly dead), she
may start wondering what's going on, especially if she decides to talk
things over with Lupin, who may also start seeing inconsistencies and
holes in Harry's version of events once he gets past his initial
reaction to the supposed traitor Snape. After all, he does know what
happened when the Aurors, Crouch Sr., and even Dumbledore took the
Muggles' version of events as accurate: Sirius Black went to Azkaban
and the real "murderin' traitor" got away. Of course, Snape *did* say
the words "Avada Kedavra," but that doesn't make Harry's account
accurate in all other respects. It's colored by his emotions and
preconceptions. And Lupin, like Hermione, knows about the UV to
protect Draco. Surely, one of them will mention that and try to figure
out where and how it fits the picture. That and the exchanged look
between Snape and Dumbledore. Lupin will know whether it's possible to
communicate that way. (I think he and Snape have actually done it with
regard to Neville's Boggart, but I know I'm a minority of one in
holding that view.)
> 
a_svirn:
> > Snape made a vow to kill Dumbledore and eventually he did kill
him. She knows nothing about the circumstances under which he took the
vow 
> 
zgirnius:
> <snip>
> Minor point, she does not know what Snape Vowed. Just that a UV with
Cissy was made. The contents of the Vow were not overheard by Harry 
as Snape did not mention them.

Carol:
I don't think this is a minor point. She knows about the vow to
*protect Draco*--the only part of the UV that Snape mentioned in the
conversation with Draco that Harry overheard. Lupin and Mr. Weasley
know about that part, too. Surely, one of those three will realize
that, whatever else he was doing, Snape was protecting Draco on the
tower. They may think that he was doing it to keep from dying, but at
least they'll realize that he wasn't murdereing Dumbledore out of
loyalty to Voldemort. (What evidence is there for that loyalty? None.
If he were a loyal DE, he'd have shown up at the graveyard, however
long it took to run off, change to DE robes, run to the gates, and
Apparate to the graveyard. And he would not have shown his Dark Mark
to Fudge as proof that Voldemort was back or sent the Order to save
the kids at the MoM.) Someone other than Harry will surely start
wondering and trying to figure things out. I'm hoping that it's
Hermione together with Lupin, another victim of the DADA curse.

zgirnius: 
> I don't think she would be thinking in terms of DDM!, but she might
 be seeing the possibility of Weak!Snape, anyway. There is enough 
there in my view to suggest he's not Voldemort's man.
>
Carol:
I don't se Weak!Snape anywhere. (Weak!Lupin, yes.) She's seen him
display exemplary courage. What she may see is Inconsistent!Snape,
meaning a Snape whose actions don't fit at all with those of a Death
Eater loyal to Voldemort (Crouch!Moody being the key example).

And now that she knows that the HBP is/was Snape, she may want to take
another look at his Potions book to see if she can figure anything out.

Carol, wondering whether Harry will ever tell Hermione about his
excursion into Snape's worst memory and how she'll react if he does