Dumbledore's judgment (WAS Hermione and 'Evil is a strong word')

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No: HPFGUIDX 165996


> Magpie:
> I was thinking of his speech at the end of OotP where he talks 
about Sirius. 
> As much as he was out of line, I assumed that from JKR's pov 
Dumbledore was 
> explaining Sirius to Harry and all of us.
> 
> I didn't mean Dumbledore's previous mistakes with Sirius when he 
left him to 
> rot in jail. That, to me, seemed like it was a case of Dumbledore 
*not* 
> paying attention or caring enough to make Sirius a project. Which 
sounds 
> awful--and it kind of is! But that's the kind of distinction I was 
making. 
> Dumbledore wasn't depending on Sirius earlier, and him being the 
traitor was 
> no better or worse than Peter being the traitor to him.


Alla:

But then we are back to DD poor judgment, I think. I mean, if you 
are saying that DD's judgment is correct when he concentrates on the 
person, makes the person his project, then how do we know when this 
happens?

Are you saying that in order for DD to be correct about the person 
he must make the person his project, depend on him?

Well, isn't Sirius being the part of the selected group of few is 
sort of a time to make him his project, really?

I mean if you ask me, being DD's student should have been enough, 
but let's say it was not, DD has many students, but there had been 
only several fighters in OOP. So why did DD **not** make Sirius his 
project back then? I mean did he not depend on the order, on each 
and every one of them to implement his plans?

I mean, it seems to me then that the distinction you are making is 
rather arbitrary, if that is the best word.

To me DD concentrating on someone means working closely with that 
person. Did he not work with Sirius closely? Did he not work with 
Peter closely?

I mean, personally, if you ask me, that is so very much the case of 
DD victim of the plot.

Because for the sake of the story Harry just had to grew up without 
Sirius, etc. But it IS part of DD character now, whether I  like it 
or not and DD shrewd judge of the character and DD giver of the 
second chances is just not there to me in his dealings with Sirius.


 
> Magpie:
> That's the part where I think Dumbledore is supposed to have 
gotten him. He 
> understood why Sirius was going crazy in the house. He still was 
wrong to do 
> keep him there, but it wasn't a case of Dumbledore not 
understanding why it 
> was hard for him. Same thing with Snape if Snape is DDM, regarding 
the 
> Occlumency. He knew exactly why Snape had trouble and why things 
failed, so 
> it wasn't a case of misjuding him, more like overestimating him. I 
think he 
> felt he was taking a similar risk with Sirius--knowing why it 
would be hard 
> for him, but letting him try to deal with it.


Alla:

Oh, you know I think I agree with you here, but then again how do we 
know that it was always the case with Snape, you know?

I mean how do we know that DD **always** understood him and not just 
sometimes as he did with Sirius?

What if when Snape came to DD with his tale of remorse, deepest one, 
DD was not concentrating on Snape enough to make him his project?