Why DD did not ask Snape to kill him. (extremely long)

[Dana]

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--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Ceridwen" <ceridwennight at ...>
wrote:
><snipping the entire discussion not because you had nothing interesting to say but actually because I never intended my first response to end up on the list but I was tricked by yahoomort>.

My adding the comment about JKR saying she hadn't seen anything that came close was not so much to go into a discussion about it being a children's book, but I added it because for me the solution to any riddle can be found in the simplest of answers, not in the most difficult.  I missed the point by a couple of miles, I guess.  And I have only myself to blame by going into a debate about the details and then presenting the actual logic for why these theories do not work for me.

The Snape theories out there are about the most difficult answer one can possibly think of. It calls for disregarding everything we've been told, it calls for a lying and puppetmaster DD, a stupid Harry and a plot so difficult to understand it makes you even wonder if JKR is able to keep track of it.  It is not logical, not by any means.

JKR has laid out her cards in these 6 books, everything you need to understand the end of the story is there.  Snape is not her lead character and thus she will not make HIM the most important in the last book, even if he does add to the bang of the resolution.  He
directed the story in book 6 and that is as far as he will go as being in the lead. He is not needed to solve Harry's quest, even if he does something that will help Harry move forward.  Just because people have chosen to make Snape their most important character in the books does not mean JKR will do the same.  Actually she will not because Harry is the most important in JKR's world.

And maybe Harry has grown so much that even though he has been wrong in the past, he is now the only one who is right.  He has to overcome his hate but he does not have to do that by being proven wrong one more time.  He just needs to understand that hatred is a toxic emotion and that not even Snape is worth poisoning the heart for.

Harry still might not have the best ability to reason but the kid has great instincts to understand things, actually it is even better than thinking with the mind because it'll take you too long and you will be dead by the time you think of an answer.

Most of you think it would be conning if Sirius would come back.  While she indeed wrote his death very ambiguous, not explaining the Veil at all.  But to you it would not be conning to have DD order Snape to kill him or to fake the murder because DD died just a millisecond  (because a second he did not have) before Snape killed him?  To me it would be because, like Harry, I had great trouble understanding falling through the Veil means you die and, like Harry, I saw Snape kill DD.

The question is not did he kill DD but why did he let it come to that?  The simple answer because he *thought* he could control the situation and he could not and as a result he chose his own life over that of DD and betrayed the man who put so much faith in him.  He
made a choice for what was easy instead of what was right and if he never intended it to go this far, then he paid with the ultimate price; -a split soul and a dead friend.

Harry not wanting to talk about Sirius' death is not because he came to terms with it but because talking about it makes it final.  We see him talk about DD's death because seeing DD's body made it final.  That makes the big difference to me.

I tried to take in all the information about Sirius' death to actually believe he died, but I failed miserably (call it denial, but believe me I have tried to come to terms with it and accept it as fact) and I used all the information to see if there would be any logic to Snape
fans' claims, that it was all a grand conspiracy, so Snape can be presumed a DDM and again be lifted from all responsibilities for his actions, and I failed to see that too.

Because to me she would be conning Harry if it would turn out DD made Harry believe Snape murdered him or make the boy believe he can't trust his own eyes by faking it, but I do not find it conning if Harry finds out Sirius is stuck alive behind the Veil and Harry could help him get back (or whatever, I am not married to the theory that he
needs to come back; yes, I do, I do, I do 
 Okay regained some control here... moving on).

I would find it conning if Harry finds out he never went through the Veil and made Harry believe he had fallen through it or that Lupin caused him to fall through or no, better yet, have DD do this as well.

<Big snip> I snipped the rest of your post to prevent me from writing too long a post and cause those fantastic house-elves <waves> the anxiety of having to spend their precious time making sense of it all.

Dana