Why DD did not ask Snape to kill him. (extremely long)

[Dana]

No: HPFGUIDX 166112

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "quick_silver71"
<quick_silver71 at ...> wrote:
>>
> Quick_Silver:
> Actually I meant that James and Sirius underestimated Peter
> in the sense that they never thought that he'd turn to
> Voldemort (or be capable of blowing up a street). On the
> other hand Dumbledore (and maybe, big maybe, Snape)
> underestimated Draco's ability to bring Death Eaters into
> the castle (I believe Dumbledore says as much on the Tower).

Dana:

To be honest I do not see the parallel at all.

I even see a big flaw because Draco was ordered to kill LV and
*if* Snape took the UV to protect DD, and he was planning to
die, then where does that leave Draco? Because not finishing,
his task, would get him killed. And LV letting him live is
still a big question mark.

Personally I think Snape never took the UV to protect Draco,
he took it because Bella accused him of being a coward,
always hiding behind his orders. She calls him on his bluff
and he, thinking he could control everything, took it.

For me the idea that Snape did everything on DD's orders is
stretching believability to such an extent that it makes it
highly improbable because it makes assumptions that DD knew
that Narcissa would come to Snape for help. Or that without
the UV Draco could not be saved or that the only way to save
Draco was by taking the UV. Or even that the only way to
save Draco would be for either Snape or DD to die.

Better yet I believe that it was Snape who provided the
information for LV to decide to go after DD and this is why;

Pg 36 UK ed. paperback:

'I am pleased to say, however, that Dumbledore is growing old.
The duel with the Dark Lord shook him. He since sustained a
serious injury because his reactions are slower then they once
were.'

End quote from canon.

This is information that you never ever tell to your enemy
because it puts holes in your defence system. And if he is
DDM then Bella is the enemy and although she was not the one
who told LV, as the order for Draco already stood at that time,
I am pretty sure LV knows this information as well.

Although we have no canon that Snape told LV, him telling
Bella indicates (to me) he did because it would be information
LV could use. And maybe why he chose Draco for the task or why
he suddenly changed his focus to DD. Maybe he didn't change it
at all but figured DD was the only one standing between him
and the one who made the prophecy - Trelawney - and with DD at
his weakest, he finally had a chance to eliminate him. DD has a
way of knowing things or realizing that he might indeed be next,
especially because he knows the prophecy is the most important
thing to LV in his quest to eliminate Harry and at this moment
Harry knowing it in full is his advantage over LV. And I am to
believe that DD chose to die and risk losing this advantage?

The big problem in all of your theories, that Snape will be
able to help Harry from LV's side, is that Snape will not and
never be able to change LV's plans.

Snape keeps telling Bella and Narcissa even he can't change the
Dark Lord's mind which means that whatever LV is planning to do
next after DD is gone, Snape will not be able to influence it.
This means if LV goes after Trelawney next, then there will be
no one to stop him from doing so. So now we are to believe that
everything that happened in OotP just a few weeks before is now
meaningless because Snape has to save the day and be the
key to Harry's victory. And DD protecting her by given her a
job and keeping her in the castle for 16 years is no longer
important and neither is Harry's safety if LV gets hold of the
entire prophecy.

You all make assumptions that DD considers Snape the key to
Harry's victory while he isn't even able to help prevent the
kid from being lured to the DoM (with or without alerting the
Order), you make assumptions that Snape knows about the
Horcruxes and DD gave him the task to find them or provide the
necessary information for Harry, while Harry is trained the
entire year to be able to locate them. And the inconvenience
of not being able to give the information to anyone is not a
problem?

No, right, of course DD told someone of the plan and he will
make Harry believe Snape. If Snape is so important to the
Order then why does no one know why DD trusted Snape? Don't
you think this would be important for this plan to work? Is
that really so dangerous to his cover that besides DD someone
else knows why Snape CAN be trusted. Oh, of course, again there
will be someone else who knows and although a lying DD according
to you is not necessary, we have to believe he lied to Harry
about Snape being sorry he relayed the prophecy to LV and DD
believing it WAS the REASON for his return.

Just because Snape turned before GH and the death of the Potters
doesn't mean LV hadn't already made his decision about which
family he was going to take out. Snape having a lifedebt to
James probably figured, he could get rid of it by providing
DD with this information, save James and make the debt even,
but the SK change caused a different outcome and, although not
known to Snape, he still blames James for dying as a result of
putting his trust in Sirius and messing up his chance to get
rid of the debt *before* LV would find a way to get to Harry.

So logically there is nothing that contradicts DD's claim to
Harry about Snape regretting how LV interpreted the prophecy
and DD thinking it was his reason to return to the side of
good.

Snape had worked  as a teacher for 14 years by Harry's fifth
year making Harry about 1 year old when Snape started his job.
GH happens when Harry is 1 year and 3 months. Although this
can be read both ways, as an ESE, or as a Snape who truly
defected to the other side. I do not for one minute believe
that DD would lie to Harry. There might be more to it and he
might have other reasons DD didn't mention but a lying DD to
make a more plausible Snape as DDM is not plausible in my book
and neither is putting others at risk by making Snape take a UV
and ordering him to kill DD.

Dana