Comparing Secret Keeper plan and UV plan (Re: Why DD did not ask Snape)

[cubfanbudwoman]

No: HPFGUIDX 166269

Dana:
> I truly want to see any indication that Snape is a DDM and I am open
> to suggestions (yes, really) as long as they do not involve DD made
> him do it. Self-sacrifice does not include having someone else 
> murder you, it is not a moral thing to ask and it indeed would 
> strip Snape from the limited choices he still had after taking the 
> vow. It also would not have been moral of DD to let Snape take the 
> UV and make him either him becoming potentially accessory to murder 
> or a murderer himself. Although the first one would be harder to 
> prove after the fact and might have been the one option Snape would 
> have preferred so he could again slither out of action.

SSSusan:
I don't like the phrase "made him do it" either.  In fact, while I 
*do* believe both in DDM!Snape *and* that DD asked Snape to kill him 
on the tower, I still believe Snape had a choice -- no one made him 
do it.

As to why he would do it... as to why DD would ask it... all of that 
has been discussed here many times, but for me it distills down to 
these things that I believe:

1) DD was dying and knew it;
2) DD saw how Snape's killing him would accomplish several useful 
things:
a) eliminate any possibility of Draco making the choice to murder; 
b) solidify Snape's position within the DEs and with Voldy as being 
totally trustworthy; 
c) give Snape time to get Harry (& Draco) out of harm's way

This is pretty much the "commanding officer in a time of war" 
argument.  I realize that it's not popular with some people.  In my 
view, when a commanding officer instructs someone who's essentially a 
soldier (or requests of him) to kill him for "the cause," then while 
it is still a killing, it's not murder.  

Or -- for those who insist that it is murder, even if it's wartime 
and even if it's at the request of the "victim" (sort of an assisted 
suicide, if you will) -- I could point out that it would have 
the "benefit" of causing Snape great pain & distress & possibly 
tearing his soul, which many would like to see.  Perhaps that's 
his "punishment" for the nasty things he did as a DE, for the past 
crimes he committed?  (You'll note the quotation marks around several 
words there; that's meant to indicate that while I'm writing this, 
it's more about a particular position one might hold on this topic, 
rather than what I believe.)

In short, I believe DD "told" Snape (probably after having previously 
discussed that the possibility would likely come up before the year's 
end sometime, somewhere), "I want you to do it NOW."  And Snape, 
while loathing DD for making the request, elected (yes, *chose*) to 
accede to that request, because of his loyalty to DD.

As to DD's self-sacrifice not including "having someone else murder 
you"... well, it just MIGHT if:  1) you do not have a wand at the 
moment with which you can kill yourself; 2) time is of the essence; 
and 3) you see an opportunity to build Snape's case as a loyal DE and 
keep him as a Voldy insider.

Could Snape have said "No"?  Sure, I believe he could have.  He would 
have royally ticked off DD, imo, would have died himself for failure 
to uphold the UV, and would have left Harry & DD in a very vulnerable 
position with DEs storming the tower. 

Siriusly Snapey Susan