[HPforGrownups] LV's bigger plan (was:Fawkes possible absence)

[Bart Lidofsky]

No: HPFGUIDX 166333

>Dana:
>In PS if Snape had told DD about Quirell, he could have prevented the 
>entire ordeal. 

Bart:
And what makes you think he didn't? In my recent re-reading of PS, it seems clear to me that DD wanted Quirell caught in the act, and wanted Harry to be the one to do it. The only flaw in DD's plans was allowing himself to be suckered away for a bit. 

>In PoA if instead of running after Lupin he had run 
>straight to DD, none of it would had been necessary. And no, saving 
>Harry was not part of it because when he saw Lupin on the map, he did 
>not know Harry was there because Harry was not visible by that time.

Bart:
It was explicitly stated that the Marauder's Map could detect people wearing invisibility cloaks. What I can't figure out (having just finished re-reading PoA) is why Dumbledore didn't suspect that Black was hiding in the Shrieking Shack. Even without knowing about Black being YAUA ("Am I the ONLY one who actually bothered to register?" says Minny the Cat), DD should have been reasonably sure that Mr. Black knew about it, based on The Prank (ominous organ chords playing in the background). 

>I am not saying DD's death would not be a big bonus to LV, but the way 
>he chose to do it might very well have caused the necessary diversion 
>to execute a larger plan. By giving the task to Draco everyone was 
>busy with preventing Draco to become a murderer.  I think LV knows DD 
>as much as DD knows him.  

Bart: 
Not that it's impossible, but it would violate one of the major standards of modern heroic Western literature: that the major advantage good has over evil is that good can understand evil, but evil can't understand good. JKR pretty explicitly makes this a theme of the book. The Riddler may think he has DD figured out, but I don't believe he does. 

>Dana:
>Killing DD 
>might always have been part of his "to-do list" 

Bart:
Voldemort's "to do" list:
1) Buy eggs.
2) Be mean to Wormtail. 
3) Kill Dumbledore.
4) Pick up parcel at the post office.
5) Wish Naggy a happy birthday.
6) Take over the world.
7) Let the Dementors play with Lucius.
8) Kill Harry Potter. 
9) Recruit Fred & George Weasley. They have potential. 

Bart