[HPforGrownups] Re: LV's bigger plan (was:Fawkes possible absence)

[Magpie]

No: HPFGUIDX 166345

> Shelley:
> I agree with this assessment- that DD didn't know Quirrel was the one 
> aiding
> LV. But, this presents me with huge problems with "Snape is DD's man"
> theory. Snape was obviously onto Quirrell- no doubt about that. BUT, why
> then didn't he tell DD if he was so loyal to him? DD knows there is a
> potential thief- everyone knows the vault was robbed (only, of nothing).
> Here, Snape has the theif, and he doesn't turn him in to Dumbledore or the
> authorities??? The only thing I can make of this is "Snape, the wannabe
> hero"- he goes after Quirrell hoping to catch him red handed. But then he
> failed, and got bit by Fluffy. Shouldn't he have told DD then, if he was 
> so
> loyal to him? Again, no.

Magpie:
Who says Snape has the thief? Suspecting Quirrel doesn't mean that he's 
actually caught him, and I actually don't see why Snape has to know for sure 
that it's Quirrel while DD--who is generally the guy who knows *more* than 
Snape--is completely clueless. I certainly don't think Snape has to be 
hiding getting bitten by Fluffy--he's not hiding from Filch, who also knows 
about Fluffy. Aren't all these ideas the ones Harry has that turn out to be 
misunderstandings?

Shelley:
> This, to me is still evidence for the Double-Agent!Snape. Let's weigh his
> actions: if he caught Quirrell trying to steal the stone, he looks like a
> hero to Dumbledore. If he succeeds in taking the stone from Quirell, and
> still manipulates the situation to lay full blame on Quirrell for stealing
> it (probably with Quirrell dead and the stone missing, which then DD would
> assume that LV had it already), then Snape himself can present the stone 
> to
> Lord Voldemort and be a hero that returns the Dark Lord to everlasting 
> life.
> (I don't think there is any evidence that Snape knew LV was hiding in that
> turban, on the back of Quirrell's head.) He has every reason, as
> Double-Agent!Snape, to go after Quirrell.

Magpie:
Where is Snape trying to get the stone from Quirrel? Snape is one of the 
people guarding the Stone, and could probably have figured out on his own 
how to get through all the things guarding it (he's got plenty of access to 
Hagrid, who isn't Fort Knox of Secrets to begin with). Except for the 
mirror, but then, neither could Quirrel get the stone out of the mirror. The 
only reason the Stone was actually in danger of being stolen by anybody was 
because Harry decided to steal it to keep it safe from Snape. But Harry was 
wrong. So where is the evidence of Snape having any plan or taking any 
action to steal the Philosopher's Stone? Nor is Snape the one who catches 
Quirrel stealing the Stone.

> Shelley:
> Actually, I think DD suspected the truth that Sirius was innocent. If he
> knew something of his innocence, then he knew that he was not the real
> threat. DD then needed Sirius to help lead him to the real killer, which 
> if
> Sirius came to Hogwarts, meant that the real killer was at Hogwarts.

Magpie:
Whoa! When did Dumbledore decided Sirius was innocent after helping to put 
him in Azkaban for 13 years? Did he make any moves to try to capture Sirius 
and talk to him to find out about this real threat? He didn't know about 
Peter, I assume.

-m