[HPforGrownups] Re: LV's bigger plan (was:Fawkes possible absence)

[k12listmomma]

No: HPFGUIDX 166344

> Dana now:
> No, it is not clear that DD wanted Harry to face LV and I personally
> do not believe he actually wanted him to. I think it was meant to
> understand that only Snape was on to Quirrell and because of it, he
> made himself suspicious. I think it was also meant to read that DD
> had no clue about it being Quirrell aiding LV, even if DD knew LV was
> trying to get to the stone and was keeping himself alive with unicorn
> blood.

Shelley:
I agree with this assessment- that DD didn't know Quirrel was the one aiding 
LV. But, this presents me with huge problems with "Snape is DD's man" 
theory. Snape was obviously onto Quirrell- no doubt about that. BUT, why 
then didn't he tell DD if he was so loyal to him? DD knows there is a 
potential thief- everyone knows the vault was robbed (only, of nothing). 
Here, Snape has the theif, and he doesn't turn him in to Dumbledore or the 
authorities??? The only thing I can make of this is "Snape, the wannabe 
hero"- he goes after Quirrell hoping to catch him red handed. But then he 
failed, and got bit by Fluffy. Shouldn't he have told DD then, if he was so 
loyal to him? Again, no.

This, to me is still evidence for the Double-Agent!Snape. Let's weigh his 
actions: if he caught Quirrell trying to steal the stone, he looks like a 
hero to Dumbledore. If he succeeds in taking the stone from Quirell, and 
still manipulates the situation to lay full blame on Quirrell for stealing 
it (probably with Quirrell dead and the stone missing, which then DD would 
assume that LV had it already), then Snape himself can present the stone to 
Lord Voldemort and be a hero that returns the Dark Lord to everlasting life. 
(I don't think there is any evidence that Snape knew LV was hiding in that 
turban, on the back of Quirrell's head.) He has every reason, as 
Double-Agent!Snape, to go after Quirrell.

>> What I can't figure out (having just finished re-reading PoA) is
>> why Dumbledore didn't suspect that Black was hiding in the
>> Shrieking Shack.
> <snip>
>
> Dana now:
> Probably because he was not expecting Sirius to linger in one place.

Shelley:
Actually, I think DD suspected the truth that Sirius was innocent. If he 
knew something of his innocence, then he knew that he was not the real 
threat. DD then needed Sirius to help lead him to the real killer, which if 
Sirius came to Hogwarts, meant that the real killer was at Hogwarts.

> On another list I saw someone make a great remark about a
> question asked to JKR about why the twins never saw Pettigrew on the
> map. (If you are the owner of these remarks then please forgive me
> for not crediting you by name, can remember the remark so vividly but
> can't remember where I've seen it)
>
> It went something like this;
>
> George: Look at the map Fred, There is a guy named Peter Pettigrew in
> Ron's bed.
> Fred: Never heard of a Peter Pettigrew, you?
> George: No
> Fred: Well never mind, let's go raid the kitchen.

Shelley:
There's a problem with that though- why would the twins be looking for Ron 
in Ron's bed? In other words, they KNOW what's already in the Gryffindor 
common room, and it's not Filch or Mrs. Norris, or one of the other teachers 
they are avoiding to avoid getting detention. They are focused on the area 
that they are exploring, and who's in that region. Unless the Rat!Pettigrew 
was following them, they probably never had cause to see him. There are a 
lot of people in that castle, if all the house elves show up, which is 
probably how the boys found the kitchen to begin with.