LV's bigger plan (was:Fawkes possible absence)
Dana
ida3 at planet.nl
Thu Mar 22 08:44:00 UTC 2007
No: HPFGUIDX 166350
<snip>
> Magpie:
> Yes, he thinks love is a weakness that he can exploit. He's doing
that by
> giving Draco this task, knowing that that will punish Lucius. But
knowing
> that Dumbledore will protect Harry and that Harry will want to
protect
> Sirius is a far cry from what Dumbledore's doing with Draco. I
can't believe
> for a second that LV actually envisioned DD and Snape risking
their lives
> and allowing Draco to find his own way. Dumbledore cares about his
students,
> but Draco's a Death Eater openly declared for the other side. More
> importantly, he's endangering people--including other students.
<snip>
Dana now:
I know another DE kid that was up to his neck in the Dark Arts that
DD gave a chance to change his life and come over to the right side.
He kept him out of Azkaban before and after LV's downfall and
provided him with a job to keep him on the side of good.
DD never killed anyone or had anyone killed by someone. LV would
know fully well DD would not try to kill Draco.
I was not implying DD risked his life for Draco but only that he was
busy thinking about how to deal with Draco. If it was Draco alone
then DD's life was never in real danger. And he had ordered Snape to
make sure Draco did not cause any more harm to others.
Everybody has his weaknesses and LV knows DD always believes there
is still good in people and therefore are worth saving, even if he
never saw it in Tom Riddle.
Magpie:
> This is love of an even higher level than the person. It's caring
about
> somebody you shouldn't care about at all. It's having compassion
for someone
> who hasn't earned it.
<snip>
Dana:
DD has a tendency of taking care of the social outcast while others
do not believe they deserve a chance. He made sure Hagrid could stay
after him being expelled (caused by Tom himself). He made sure Lupin
could attend school while considered a Dark Creature. He put his
trust in Snape while having been a DE and gave him a job. So why
would Draco be anything different to DD?
Magpie:
> Why waste anything on this kid? Voldemort certainly wouldn't. Who
cares if
> he discovers who he really is? What good does it do for him to
fail at
> murder? I think, as Bart said, one of the things in HBP is that
LV can't
> understand that. The most he can understand is that Dumbledore is
a sucker
> because he "wants" to see the good in people.
<snip>
Dana:
Precisely, LV would not care what happens to Draco, to him, he is
just one means to an end but he knows DD would think about this
entirely differently. And therefore Draco is the perfect distraction
to execute a bigger plan. LV would not waste time on punishing Lucius
by using Draco. If he really wanted Lucius to pay he could just have
killed his only son. LV wouldn't care less, he is not withheld by any
feeling of fairness so giving Draco a chance to make it right for his
family, has nothing to do with it. He uses Draco and get back at Lucius
at the same time but not just to punish Lucius and risk that the boy
will not be able to kill DD. I am very convinced that his use of Draco
was a very calculated one.
I believe LV never meant for Draco to kill DD, because he would know
Draco would be incapable of doing so even if the kid shoots off his
mouth, but I seriously suspect LV to have set up Snape for the
job. You say why would Snape risk his life for Draco?
You tell me why is he taking the vow? Could LV know Snape would take
it? I think he would because he knows his minions well, knows their
weaknesses and plays them to the max.
Dana
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