[HPforGrownups] Re: LV's bigger plan (was:Fawkes possible absence)

[Magpie]

No: HPFGUIDX 166338

> Dana now:
> LV is known to be able to play people to his own advantage and this
> needs understanding people a great deal. Just because he could not
> play DD doesn't mean he doesn't know certain weaknesses DD has when
> it concerns one of his students.
> DD avoids Harry, in OotP, partly because he doesn't want LV to know
> Harry means more to him then just having a mere Headmaster vs. pupil
> relationship.
>
> LV's weaknesses are his fear of death and understanding the *power*
> of love and how it can be used against him but he does know how to
> manipulate people with love as a weapon against them. That is how he
> got Harry to the DoM by making him think he was torturing Sirius.
> Also, LV does know about good he just considers it a weakness because
> it can be so easily used to manipulate those fools who love. He just
> doesn't understand the power behind it.

Magpie:
Yes, he thinks love is a weakness that he can exploit. He's doing that by 
giving Draco this task, knowing that that will punish Lucius. But knowing 
that Dumbledore will protect Harry and that Harry will want to protect 
Sirius is a far cry from what Dumbledore's doing with Draco. I can't believe 
for a second that LV actually envisioned DD and Snape risking their lives 
and allowing Draco to find his own way. Dumbledore cares about his students, 
but Draco's a Death Eater openly declared for the other side. More 
importantly, he's endangering people--including other students.

This is love of an even higher level than the person. It's caring about 
somebody you shouldn't care about at all. It's having compassion for someone 
who hasn't earned it (even Harry doesn't really get that). More importantly, 
it's seeing something in Draco that nobody (including many readers) can see. 
Why waste anything on this kid? Voldemort certainly wouldn't. Who cares if 
he discovers who he really is? What good does it do for him to fail at 
murder?  I think, as Bart said, one of the things in HBP is that LV can't 
understand that. The most he can understand is that Dumbledore is a sucker 
because he "wants" to see the good in people. He doesn't understand actually 
seeing good in people or taking that kind of risk. LV counting on Dumbledore 
to pull this, imo, is as impossible as Dumbledore planning on Draco finding 
a way to get Death Eaters into the castle.

-m