LV's bigger plan (was:Fawkes possible absence)

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No: HPFGUIDX 166398

> Dana:> 
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> > We are also told that book 6 is not a stand alone and that it is 
> the
> > first part of a bigger story and therefore it would make sense 
that
> > we do not get all the clues needed to see the full story even if 
we
> > have all the clues to figure out what will happen next.
> 
> Magpie:
> A great deal of Book VI is indeed a standalone, it's just that the 
> two standalones of HBP and DH form one larger story even more than 
> the entire series forms a larger story. HBP is like the Empire 
> Strikes Back of the series. That movie is most obviously part of a 
> larger story, and ends with the heroes in a low moment that we know 
> must be resolved, but that doesn't make it not a standalone movie. 
> Return of the Jedi wastes no time un-writing stuff that already 
> happened in ESB. Sure they start out going to rescue Han, but 
> they're not spending their time learning that Darth Vader really 
> didn't come to the Cloud City to use Han to lure Luke there and 
> offer to rule the galaxy with him. That plan's over. I can't 
imagine 
> why we'd want to hear all about he "real" plot of HBP in DH. Not 
> only does it go over old ground that should be finished, it makes a 
> lot of HBP pointless on re-read because where now it seems like the 
> good guys are doing things that will lead to their victory (even as 
> they're making mistakes), making HBP the book that more than any 
> other is about the personal choices people make that can't be 
> manipulated, it turns out HBP was all a set up of Voldemort's. The 
> stuff that seems like manipulation of Voldemort (like pressuring 
> Draco and giving him the task) is just the first layer of 
> manipulation. He's also manipulating the reactions to it.
> 


Alla:

Hi,Magpie here is my problem with **great deal of book VI** is being 
stand alone ( by the way, I am not sure I would buy the close analogy 
with Empire strikes back, with JKR denying close parallels with Star 
Wars. I mean, sure despite her denials - Harry journey is hero 
journey too, but I am not sure if she would built her books 
structurally as close to Star Wars. IMO of course).

How do you know **what part** of book VI is stand alone and which one 
is not?

I mean, sure if you would tell me that you are thinking that 
**nothing** in book 6 is going to be rewritten in book 7, then I am 
with you - everything that you said has more support in canon right 
now.

But we do know that JKR said that HBP is **not** stand alone, as Dana 
mentions, so I think it is a pretty fair assumption to make that 
**anything** in book 6 can be changed in light of book 7 revelations.

Based on the past discussions ( forgive me if I summarise 
incorrectly), I think you are betting that Snape's part will be 
reversed , yes?

Well, what if it is not ( or what if it is not the only part will be 
reversed)? What if as Jen speculates we will learn that Voldemort was 
behind the UV after all?

Is there anything in HBP that prevents JKR from doing it?

And again, but for JKR insistence that HBP is only first part of the 
series, I would not have expected any reversals in book 7, but since 
she said the contrary, I think **anything** can be reversed, not just 
Snape's loyalties ( if they are).

JMO,

Alla