LV's bigger plan / Trelawney at the funeral or not?

[houyhnhnm102]

No: HPFGUIDX 166446

Dana:

>> I do not agree that even though she herself cannot 
>> remember it consciously that this would mean the 
>> memory would not be there.  We have seen in the 
>> several pensieve scenes that a memory can be looked 
>> at from a perspective that the owner of that memory 
>> would not have been aware of at the time the memory 
>> registered in the mind. Her mere presence in the room 
>> would make it possible to look at the scene from  a 
>> third person's view and hear her tell DD the prophecy.

Ceridwen:

> We have no canon on how memories might work in 
> this sort of circumstance, but I think so, too.  
> Since Trelawney's brain and body, if not her mind, 
> were still in the room, it's possible that she 
> could have a memory that LV could watch in a Pensieve.
 
> Imagine the implications!  He would see *everything*, 
> from the interview with Dumbledore, to the prophecy, 
> to Snape's arrival *after the prophecy*.  Not quite 
> the way it was explained to LV.  Snape only supposedly 
> overheard the first part and was thrown out before it ended.

houyhnhnm:

Surely there must be limits, though.  No one would suggest 
that Snape has a memory of the entire confrontation with 
Peter Pettigrew that took place while he was knocked out 
in the Shrieking Shack that he could view in a Pensieve.  
Or that Harry has memories he could access of events that 
took place the many times he's been unconscious?  Or that 
people remember scenes that take place while they are 
asleep?  Would Dean or Neville have an extractable memory 
of a conversations that took place between Ron and Harry 
while either one was asleep?

Since there is no explanation of the way that a 
prophetic trance works, it is difficult to place it 
on a continuum from memories formed during full waking 
consciousness on one end to unconsciousness on the 
other.  Therefore, I am not at all certain that Trelawney 
would have an extractable memory of herself making the prophecy.