The one... to vanquish... approaches.... The one... to vanquish will be born

[esmith222002]

No: HPFGUIDX 168168

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" <justcarol67 at ...> 
wrote:
> 
> Brothergib:
> Therefore, maybe you should be asking yourself exactly which parts 
of
> the prophecy DD 'allowed' Harry to hear. And therefore which parts 
of
> the prophecy has Snape heard and how does this compare with what 
Harry
> has heard.
> <snip>
> 
> Carol:
> The question as to which parts *Snape* has heard can only be 
answered
> if we (and Harry) have heard/read the whole thing (as DD tells him 
he
> has). I agree with those who view DD's and Trelawney's versions of 
the
> story as conflicting, but I don't think DD is lying to Harry about 
the
> two of them being the only people who know the complete Prophecy.
> 
> Certainly, DD has deprived Harry of an opportunity to see and hear 
the
> Prophecy *in context* because he doesn't want Harry to know at that
> point (or perhaps ever) that Snape was the eavesdropper. (And 
despite
> any arguments I've heard so far to the contrary, it's hard to
> reconcile DD's version of the story with Trelawney's, which does not
> permit an interruption. Why she thinks young Snape was looking for a
> teaching job at that time of year--late fall or possibly spring--is
> also unclear; sherry-flavored hindsight, maybe.) But I don't think 
we
> can conclude from the ellipses or the missing context or the
> contradictory stories that anything is omitted from the Prophecy
> itself. DD can make Trelawney rise from the Pensieve and speak the
> Prophecy out of context, but I don't see how he could cause her to
> omit words or sentences, nor do I think he would lie to Harry by
> telling him that he knows the complete Prophecy if that were untrue.
> 
> Carol, choosing to blame the gods or daemons (not demons!) of
> inspiration for any lapses in inspired!Trelawney's sentence 
structure
> if it isn't the result of typecoding or copyediting :-)
>
Brothergib again;

I have posted previously on the subject of how DD and Trelawney's 
versions could match up, so I may as well repeat myself here. As far 
as DD was concerned he was only attending the meeting with Trelawney 
out of courtesy. He may or may not have been aware that Snape was 
outside the room at this time. However, it wasn't important since his 
meeting with Trelawney was not important. It is perfectly reasonable 
to suppose that DD would have been caught out by Trelawney's 
prophecy. That Trelawney would have uttered a few sentences before DD 
realised what was happening. At this point he would place a charm on 
the door to prevent further eavesdropping. Then maybe he contacts 
Aberforth in some way or maybe he happens on Snape by chance. 
Trelawney finishes her prophecy, DD strides over to the door to 
discover the identity of the eavesdropper, and this is when Trelawney 
sees Snape.

As for the prophecies themselves; POA prophecy - the pauses come at 
the end of the prophecy as Trelawney is finsihing off. OOTP prophecy -
 the pauses are throughout. As I said previously, I do think DD is 
capable of selecting which parts of his memory Harry hears. I think 
he wants Harry to understand that in the end it is between LV and 
Harry. That one has to defeat the other. That is vital info. But as 
I've said in the previous post - if Snape was implicated, then DD 
would HAVE to keep this info from Harry. If we believe that Snape is 
integral to LV's overall destruction, it is vital that LV gets no 
inkling that SS may be against him.

Brothergib