Slughorn favoritism/ Snape as Neville's teacher LONG

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No: HPFGUIDX 168540

> Magpie?
> I'm confused. I was saying that the thread is about how Snape is a 
bad 
> teacher, so presumably should not teach, and favoritism was being 
used as a 
> reason for that. Slughorn obviously also favors favoritism in 
class.

Alla:

Ah. I see. I was confused too, sorry. But in that case let me assure 
you that favoritism is **not** the most important reason why I 
believe Snape should never teach. I mean do not get me wrong, I do 
not like at all  that he picks favorites and would prefer Slughorn 
did not do it either, but to me it is what Snape **does** to his non-
favorites students is the main reason why I detest him so much.

Does it make sense? If he say simply favored Draco at the expense of 
everybody else and not run his dirty mouth at Harry and not 
threatened to poison Neville's toad, insulted Hermione's 
teeth,etc,etc. If he ignored them, did not give them as much 
attention as he gives Draco, while still grading fairly which I 
believe Slughorn does, it would have bothered me much less.





 
> Alla:
> >
> > When people who need the class, may not be able to get in it 
because
> > of how Snape teaches. Like what Phoenixgod said - setting unfair
> > classroom. But sure, OWLS are the key.
> 
> Magpie:
> And the same is true for every other class. Why point out only 
Snape for 
> this?  He doesn't even seem to be a teacher particularly 
struggling with 
> getting his kids to focus and take his class seriously.


Alla:

Why point Snape only? Because I believe he is the worst offender. I 
mean that is IMO obviously and there are other teachers for sure, I 
just believe he is the worst in that area, so I am pointing it.

 
> Magpie:
> So Snape is doing wrong by not making the students personally 
passionate 
> about the subject, and he's ruining their careers by not creating 
a 
> classroom situation every student likes best, but it's fine for 
Slughorn to 
> blatantly mark out certain kids as the ones worth encouraging and 
the ones 
> who aren't--that couldn't possibly make a difference in the way 
they respond 
> to a subject too?

Alla:

I guess I am not being clear again, sorry. Yes, I think Snape is 
very very wrong when he does that, but is it **fine** for Slughorn? 
No, I do not think it is fine for the kids he ignores, not at all.

But contrary to what Snape does, I absolutely believe that what 
Slughorn does is **not** abuse of his authority. Does it make sense?

I believe that as extracirricular activity it is his right to do so, 
if that makes sense. While I do not believe at all that Snape is 
entitled to do what he does to Harry and Neville in class. I am all 
for Slugghorn giving more attention to Ron for example. But the 
thing is I do not think he is **obligated to do so**.

Does it make him not a good teacher? Sure, I would say not to 
Lupin's standards, not to Sprout's standards. The fact that I give 
him much higher grade than Snape as teacher, does not mean that I 
think that he is very good. But he is not the worst either IMO.


 
> Magpie:
> It's a coincidence, yes. Slughorn is afraid of the DEs and is 
protecting 
> himself. But he's fine promoting Blaise, who has the same values, 
because 
> he's a Pureblood from a good family (and hot). 

Alla:

The fact that Blase is not a DE means to me that he does have some 
difference in values. I mean, not much I will agree with that and I 
would even say that I will not be surprised if he becomes such, but 
to me still not the same thing. I mean he certainly shares pureblood 
philosophy etc.

Magpie:
If Theo Nott were another 
> Sirius Black in terms of rejecting his family's values he'd be 
rejected too. 

Alla:

He would be? So far Slughorn expresses regret that he did not have 
two Black brothers in his house, one of whom he now knows rejected 
his family, no?


Magpie:
> Sure in Malfoy's case the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, 
but there's 
> nothing inherently admirable about judging the kids based on who 
their 
> parents are, be their parents DEs or Muggles.

Alla:

Admirable? I guess not. I was arguing that Slughorn wanting to stay 
away from DE and their kids by assosiation is his choice, not 
coincidence. I also would find it far more not admirable if Slughorn 
did not want to stay away from DE and their kids.


Magpie:
> Ultimately it's good for Malfoy that Slughorn rejects him, because 
the kind 
> of values Slughorn aggressively promotes in his Slug Club are the 
same 
> values Draco's been raised with and are such a turn off in him.

Alla:

Okay.

 
> Alla:
> > Lucius could have been his favorite when he was not recruited 
yet, no?
> 
> Magpie:
> Sure before he was recruited. But I doubt before he had the same 
values he 
> has now. Slughorn doesn't turn people away who, like Sirius' 
parents, 
> totally support Voldemort but aren't DEs. If Lucius were exactly 
the same 
> but without the mark I think Malfoy would have been welcomed with 
open arms.

Alla:

Yep, I think so too. My question is what is wrong with it? No, not 
with Lucius values. I see plenty of wrongs there. What is wrong with 
Slughorn wanting to collect him? I mean, just in general.

JMO,

Alla