Hagrid and Draco

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No: HPFGUIDX 168692

> Magpie:
> I don't think Snape's trying to encourage Malfoy to get attacked 
in Hagrid's 
> class more often. Perhaps Snape thinks he's giving consolation to 
Malfoy, 
> for all I know. (He may see the situation differently than Harry 
does.) The 
> complicated web of teachers expressing their favoritism and 
dislike of 
> students and passing annoyances and all that is certainly there to 
see. <SNIP>


Alla:

Sure, consolation I will go for. Does not make Snape telling Ron to 
work for Malfoy any less wrong. I know you did not say it, I am just 
saying in general.

 
> Magpie:
> I never said that was the lesson he learned. It never really 
occurred to me 
> that it should be. I guess Harry should also learn that lesson and 
never 
> speak disrespectfully to Snape as well, but that's not what either 
teacher 
> gets 100% of the time (nor do either of them give it 100% of the 
time). 
> Hagrid does get a kid who always listens to his instructions.

Alla:

Eh, sure. I think Hogwarts demands from the students, including 
Harry obviously. Doesn't Snape constantly keep reminding Harry to 
call him Sir? Doesn't DD tell him to call Snape professor?  So, 
yeah, I think Professor Hagrid should be heard from Malfoy's mouth 
as well.


Alla:
<SNIP>
 At the same time I wish I could feel more for Hagrid's
> > anquish over  Bucky's possible execution. Strangely, on the hurt
> > comfort level his anguish is a bit blah for me. Wierd.
> 
> Magpie:
> I find it repulsive that the whole storyline seems so calculated 
to 
> dehumanize a character, with things shifting back and forth so 
that he can 
> be consciously attacked for the readers enjoyment and then made 
into a hate 
> object for it.

Alla:

I would phrase it differently, but the essense would be the same - 
that is what I like about this storyline - that at least somehow 
eventually Malfoy gets smacked. 


Magpie:
 I also don't think Hagrid's helpless in the least.

Alla:

I meant what happened made him feel helpless - he cannot stop Bucky 
execution without Trio and DD's help, which he did not expect. All 
power was in Malfoy's hands IMO till the end. Malfoy Sr, but Malfoy 
JKR obviously basked in that power too IMO>


Magpie:
 I actually 
> don't think it's too odd to not feel badly about Hagrid's anguish 
over the 
> execution. Hagrid's got so many animals and always wants more that 
I don't 
> think he comes across as really having much personal attachment to 
any of 
> them.


Alla:

That's definitely not it for me. I feel the love Hagrid has to each 
and every one of his animals. I also did not say I did not feel 
badly, I said it is blah on hurt/comfort level. Hard to explain, I 
don't know.

And I felt bad for poor Bucky for sure.
 

Magpie:
> I also don't have a big problem, it's true, with Malfoy having an 
opinion 
> about Hagrid before he met him--it happens all the time. <SNIP>

Alla:

Right, and I have huge problem with it. That is how I started 
despising Malfoy on the spot.

Magpie:
<SNIP>
 I don't think "This 
> is what I've heard about that guy" for Hagrid any worse than if 
Ron had told 
> Harry "That's Snape--I hear he's really mean and favors 
Slytherins" or 
> "That's Slughorn. I've heard he's a big perv." That's too much of 
normal 
> school talk to bother me, even if what Draco repeats isn't 
flattering to 
> Hagrid.


Alla:

When did Ron say such a thing? I do not remember at all. Didn't 
Percy talk to Snape about Harry? What Percy said is totally 
different for me because he met Snape already. And if whoever says 
something about person in a bd way, person they never met, yes, it 
annoys me a lot.

Magpie: 
> Obviously it's perfectly fine that you get your enjoyment out of 
the story 
> in different ways I do, but I'm probably not going to be convinced 
that that 
> a different reaction than my own is more valid or that it's about 
karmic 
> justice when I already don't find the story to be about justice. I 
think 
> part of what I really don't like about it is that it reads to me 
like it's 
> pretending to be about justice when it's really about something 
else.


Alla:

Where in this thread I was saying that your reaction is less valid 
than mine? I thought we were doing just that - discussing our 
different reactions. I know our Malfoy discussions have a different 
feel from any other discussions, because there is no compromise 
possible, contrary to pretty much all other discussions. I cannot 
stand Malfoy and you sympathise with him, accordingly I am happy 
every time he is getting slapped and you are probably not.  But I 
still do not think I was saying that your reaction is less valid 
than mine. Sorry if I gave you that impression.

Agree to disagree time me thinks. :)