GoF fight between Harry and Ron/On perfection of moral virtues

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 168929


> > Carol responds:
> > But do you agree that if Harry had told Ron the full truth, 
repeating
> > Fake!Moody's words, that Ron would have believed him?
> > 
> > 
> > Sherry;
> > 
> > No, I do not agree.  and I love Ron.  But I felt this was an 
incredible act
> > of disloyalty. 
> 
> Pippin:
> Didn't Harry doubt his friend when he didn't tell Ron the truth?
> What kind of a reason is 'He felt it would sound very melodramatic
> to say, "To kill me." '? *Why* couldn't Harry say, "I know this is
> going to sound melodramatic, but Moody says..." Was he afraid
> Ron would laugh at him or think he was being melodramatic
> on purpose? That doesn't show a lot of confidence in Ron. 
> 
> Ron's eyebrows rose when Harry said he hadn't put his name in,
> but he could have been just showing surprise. He didn't accuse
> Harry of lying until Harry actually had lied. Hmm....so Harry
> overreacted to a pair of raised eyebrows? Seems to me there's
> another character who did that, IIRC <veg>


Alla:

Oh. Harry **lied** to Ron now? He did not tell him everything that 
happened, that's for sure.

But per great Albus Dumbledore truth is terrible and dangerous thing 
and should be treated with caution, no?

So, if you are agreeing that Albus Dumbledore is a liar by keeping 
the prophecy from Harry for five years, then sure I agree that 
keeping information is a lie as well, otherwise, no. I do not 
remember Harry saying anything to Ron which was not true.


Besides even when great Albus Dumbledore claimed to tell Harry 
everything, oooops, he really did not as we learned in HBP.

I mean, he was entering into the realm of speculations now about 
horcruxes now, so he did not deem it necessary to talk to Harry 
about it in OOP.

I mean, I know that JKR needed it for the plot, but still wasn't it 
rather weak justification?

But look, here we see Harry not being sure that somebody is trying 
to kill him either - so isn't he in the realm of speculations as 
well, sort of and maybe that is why he is afraid of sound 
melodramatic?

Because even when he is thinking about Voldemort wanting to kill him 
he still does not sound 100% sure to me in  this quote.


I also find it especially poignant how Harry just takes it for 
granted that Ron and Hermione will indeed believe him that he did 
not do it. Oooops.

I guess he underestimated Ron a bit.



"Was anyone except Ron and Hermione going to believe him, or would 
they all think he'd put himself in for the tournament?  Yet how 
could anyone think that, when he was facing competitors who'd had 
three years' more magical education than he had - when he was now 
facing tasks that not only sounded very dangerous, but which were to 
be performed in front of hundreds of people?  Yes, he'd thought 
about it. . . he'd fantasized about it.. . but it had been a joke, 
really, an idle sort of dream. . . he'd never really, seriously 
considered entering. .
But someone else had considered it. . . someone else had wanted him 
in the tournament, and had made sure he was entered.  Why?  To give 
him a treat?  He didn't think so, somehow...
To see him make a fool of himself?  Well, they were likely to get 
their wish. .
But to get him killed?
Was Moody just being his usual paranoid self?  Couldn't someone have 
put Harry's name in the goblet as a trick, a practical joke?  Did 
anyone really want him dead?
Harry was able to answer that at once.  Yes, someone wanted him 
dead, someone had wanted him dead ever since he had been a year 
old. . . Lord Voldemort.  But how could Voldemort have ensured that 
Harry's name got into the Goblet of Fire?  Voldemort was supposed to 
be far away, in some distant country, in hiding, alone. . . feeble 
and powerless....
Yet in that dream he had had, just before he had awoken with his 
scar hurting, Voldemort had not been alone. . . he had been talking 
to Wormtail.. . plotting Harry's murder.  Harry got a shock to find 
himself facing the Fat Lady already.  He had barely noticed where 
his feet were carrying him.  It was also a surprise to see that she 
was not alone in her frame.  The wizened witch who had flitted into 
her neighbor's painting when he had joined the champions downstairs 
was now sitting smugly beside the Fat Lady.  She must have dashed 
through every picture lining seven staircases to reach here before 
him.  Both she and the Fat Lady were looking down at him with the 
keenest interest.
"Well, well, well," said the Fat Lady, "Violet's just told me 
everything.  Who's just been chosen as school champion, then?"
"Balderdash," said Harry dully." _ GoF, paperback, ch.17, p. 283.



JMO,

Alla