On the perfection of moral virtues/Snape and Harry and some Ron as well

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 168942

> > Alla:
> > 
> > Not necessarily - even if Snape is revealed as not traitor and 
not 
> > murderer ( hopefully not), he will still forever remain child 
abuser 
> > for me, so I am talking about that Snape as well.
> > 
> 
> Pippin:
> 
> In Book Seven Harry will be an adult and Dudley will be a child.
> Now why do you think JKR arranged things that way? I hope
> that Harry will prove too noble to  abuse his power over
> Dudley in the next book, but I wouldn't bet on it. 


Alla:

LOL. I think for much simpler reason - for Harry to be able to use 
his 
magic without Ministry interfering in the last book. IMO of course.

But I think Harry already proved himself too noble to abuse Dudley, 
when he had saved him from Dementors that is.

Yeah, he threw some words at him - not nearly enough, if you ask me 
for all "Harry hunting", Harry had to live through and for making 
fun of Harry's nightmares, but when the 
danger came, Harry stood by him and did the right thing.

So, I am not worrying, Pippin at all. :)

Oh, and before you will make a comparison with Snape who will throw 
some words at Harry but when the danger comes will do the right 
thing 
as well, let me just say - not buying, at all.

Because contrary to Dudley, Harry personally did not do anything to 
Snape when he came to school. So, I do not think that Snape had any 
right to run his mouth at Harry and Harry has **every** right to do 
so at Dudley in my opinion.

If Snape did that, say, to James, I would totally buy the 
comparison. ;)


> > Alla:
> . I would feel that I have no  right to be angry at this child for 
> anything, if I feel true remorse  that is.
> 
> Pippin:
> But what if you saw the child growing  into a bully, even a 
murderer, 
> would you let that happen rather than discipline him? You'd salve 
> your own feelings at the cost of his future?
> 
> Surely not.
> 


Alla:

Leaving aside the incredibility (IMO) of Snape being concern for 
Harry 
as I see it, I will tell you what I would do had I found myself in 
RL 
situation remotely close to Snape.

Since we **know**  IMO  that Harry is not turning into bully and 
murderer( unless you consider killing Voldemort a murder of course), 
obviously IMO if Snape was "concerned", his concern is wrong.

So, what I would do  is to be 200% sure that any information that 
would lead me to believe that such child ( whom I caused to live 
life 
of misery as orphan. Yeah, I think Snape did it consciously - 
delivered Prophecy to Voldemort) is going bad road is **correct**

No buts, no maybes - correct. I mean, really hypothetically I 
already 
contributed to such child growing up an orphan. I would be really, 
really, really scared of being the cause of any more misery for this 
child, if I am wrong.

But if after I would check it out, I would indeed find that there is 
a 
possibility of the child having problems, going towards the bad 
road, 
trust me, I would still **not** discipline this child, had I been 
teaching him.

I would make sure to pass the information to another teachers and 
remove myself from the picture. I would be too scared that I am 
still 
not objective.

That is of course only if I had personal history which can be 
compared 
to Snape and Harry of course.  I know that it is not realistic to 
remove oneself from the picture for any child teacher may have 
problems with. But Yes, I believe such personal history 
warrants Snape doing all that, going extramile and all, had he had 
been remotely decent being 
and having true remorse in his heart.

And I will tell you what I will not do **for sure**. I most 
certainly 
would not form any judgments about such child, which are so wrong on 
the first lesson, the moment I saw him.

After all, I already hurt this child so much, why would I want to 
hurt 
him even more?

So, yeah, as I always say I know story needs Snape and Harry 
conflict, 
I do, but from the position of within the story, I find Snape 
conduct 
being  really really disgusting.
 


JMO,

Alla